Ilegalizing Aboriton not the answer

[Arturo_Ortiz]

So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

 

[edwest2]

It should illegal. Millions of babies have been murdered in the United States. Unless women get pregnant by themselves then they should avoid sex until marriage.

Peace,
Ed

 

[aragonjohn1]

So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

No

Shalom
God bless

 

[Catholic1954]

That was the arguement in favor of abortion here in the US back in the early 70’s. Legal abortion was supposed to save our 16 year old daughters from going to back alley, coathanger waving, unqualified, “butchers” to get an abortion. (Even though birth control was available). In the years since, we have gone from an abortion being ok only during the first trimester to sucking out babys brains at nine months and letting healthy, born alive babies die alone in broom closets, because they aren’t perfect and the parents don’t want them. We have also gone from a doctor volunteering to perform an abortion to the United States government forcing doctors against their will and religious beliefs to perform them on demand. Abortion is evil, there is no getting around that. Once evil is let in and takes hold, it is very, very difficult to get rid of it. There are millions and millions of Americans who were never born, because of abortion and millions more than that worldwide.

 

[Pat_Payne]

So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

That is in effect saying “banning murder won’t stop murderers, so let’s just throw up our hands and decriminalize it.” People go to unlicensed “doctors” for flimsier reasons – a couple of years ago here in SoCal, a guy was running an unlicensed liposuction business out of his garage, and last week two people were busted for giving under-the-table unlicensed root canals for cash.

So I doubt that it has anything to do with the legality or not – it’s money. People willing to throw money at a “problem” that they want to just “go away” will throw that money whether it’s legal or not. And an innocent infant dies because of it.

 

[vames]

So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

Your mother is right. It depends, however, on a conjunction of several factors - the availability of contraception, the general standard of living (incidence of poverty, social safety net for mothers and families etc) and the ability to leave the country to get a legal abortion elsewhere. When you ban abortions AND contraception is inaccessible AND poverty is rising AND women can’t leave the country to get a safe abortion in other country, you have Ceausescu’s Romania.
eileen.undonet.com/Main/7_R_Eile/Romania.htm
countrystudies.us/romania/37.htm

 

[robwar]

So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

that argument can be used on a number of crimes. Murder is illegal but people still murder, stealing is illegal but people still steal. When some form of behavior is legal, there is more of a chance that you will get more of that behavior. Yes, when abortion were illegal, women still made the choice to have them. However, since they are legal, too many more have made this destructive choice. Abortions even though legal, are not any more safer, and women are still hurt and scarred and damaged so called legal abortions. In Michigan here, we finally got a bill passed and signed that now requires these so called safe and legal abortion mills to have the same standards as any outpatient surgery. So in other words these so called legal safe abortion mills were none of the above. One would think that these places would want the high standards to prove that they are the safe and clean places but they fought against having high standards in their so called outpatient procedure places. To them abortion is just another outpatient surgical procedure right? So they should have high ethical standards and they don’t! This is a bogus argument and when one looks closely at the actual facts or what these mills are like, they are just a disgusting and those “back alley” places that so called legalization was going to make safe.

 

[Arturo_Ortiz]

That is in effect saying “banning murder won’t stop murderers, so let’s just throw up our hands and decriminalize it.” People go to unlicensed “doctors” for flimsier reasons – a couple of years ago here in SoCal, a guy was running an unlicensed liposuction business out of his garage, and last week two people were busted for giving under-the-table unlicensed root canals for cash.

So I doubt that it has anything to do with the legality or not – it’s money. People willing to throw money at a “problem” that they want to just “go away” will throw that money whether it’s legal or not. And an innocent infant dies because of it.

Thanks the reasons I am asking is because my argues that criminalizing abortion would not stop abortion, which I believe she is right in a way, those who want an abortion will find a way and get it. Usually this is true when it comes to money.

I was just thinking about what the best way to prevent abortions. I think that it has to do with the culture and what is being promoted. I personally believe that if the media and cultural influence would be supportive of life then abortion would not be a problem in the first place.

The libertarian movement for most part has tried to decriminalize things such as drugs and other things as supposedly it is better. I don’t really follow that.

 

[robwar]

Thanks the reasons I am asking is because my argues that criminalizing abortion would not stop abortion, which I believe she is right in a way, those who want an abortion will find a way and get it. Usually this is true when it comes to money.

I was just thinking about what the best way to prevent abortions. I think that it has to do with the culture and what is being promoted. I personally believe that if the media and cultural influence would be supportive of life then abortion would not be a problem in the first place.

The libertarian movement for most part has tried to decriminalize things such as drugs and other things as supposedly it is better. I don’t really follow that.

I understand your point but it is hard to fight for the cultural changes if it is perfectly legal.
There is no stoppage of something if it is legal. You won’t really win the cultural battle when a behavior is legal. We have had that since 1973 and when you look at the cultural battles, we exactly are not winning.

 

[sowinskija]

That is in effect saying “banning murder won’t stop murderers, so let’s just throw up our hands and decriminalize it.” People go to unlicensed “doctors” for flimsier reasons – a couple of years ago here in SoCal, a guy was running an unlicensed liposuction business out of his garage, and last week two people were busted for giving under-the-table unlicensed root canals for cash.

So I doubt that it has anything to do with the legality or not – it’s money. People willing to throw money at a “problem” that they want to just “go away” will throw that money whether it’s legal or not. And an innocent infant dies because of it.

That’s a neat argument. Will use it if i have to

 

[sowinskija]

That is in effect saying “banning murder won’t stop murderers, so let’s just throw up our hands and decriminalize it.” People go to unlicensed “doctors” for flimsier reasons – a couple of years ago here in SoCal, a guy was running an unlicensed liposuction business out of his garage, and last week two people were busted for giving under-the-table unlicensed root canals for cash.

So I doubt that it has anything to do with the legality or not – it’s money. People willing to throw money at a “problem” that they want to just “go away” will throw that money whether it’s legal or not. And an innocent infant dies because of it.

Like that argument.

 

[PJM]

=Arturo Ortiz;10152950]So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

TRULY SORRY to disagree with your mom. Her point is not invalid; but it’s only a small part of the story.

It’s illogical and perhaps even unrealistic to take the position that “ease” of abortions does not in a MAJOR way, contribuite to the numbers of babies sacrificed on the altar that VERY often is “convience verses inconvience”.

These are innocent baby lives were talking about.

Moms position does factor in the reality of shoddy and even dangerous proceedures if not legeal. BUT even then, many of these abortions are “conveinence” rather than TRUE necessity or need.

No; there can be NO vaild reason for abortion. God HAS a role in pregnancies; and eiter God is in charge or we are. can’t be both way’s. Sorry mom.

God Bless,
pat/PJM

 

[wheels10]

So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

Make it illegal. By making it illegal, we as a society are telling the members of this society that abortion is wrong, and if you perform abortion you will need to pay for your crime.

Laws should be used to protect the innocent. Is there anyone more innocent than an unborn child?

 

[edwest2]

I understand your point but it is hard to fight for the cultural changes if it is perfectly legal.
There is no stoppage of something if it is legal. You won’t really win the cultural battle when a behavior is legal. We have had that since 1973 and when you look at the cultural battles, we exactly are not winning.

Winning? The Church is not about winning, it is about the truth. And the truth always wins.

ncregister.com/daily-news/long-time-michigan-roadside-nativity-resurrected/

Peace,
Ed

 

[R_C]

Murder is illegal. Do you know how many people were murdered in the US in 2008? 14 thousand.

Abortion is legal. Do you know how many unborn were murdered by abortion in 2008? 1.2 million.

It surely won’t solve the issue, but it will make a difference, don’t you think?

 

[JRKH]

So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

I don’t know of anything that was ended by making it illegal. So of course abortions would continue if it was made illegal. But there would be fewer of them…
Is your mom aware that there are 4000 abortions every day in the US…Ask her if she thinks that there would be that many performed daily if it were illegal.
Even if the number were halved - that means 2000 more babies born alive every day.

That said…The sad fact is that it is highly unlikely that abortion will ever be made fully illegal - not in our lifetime. What is more important is to try to convince as many people as possible that it is wrong. This is the only way to a) reduce the number performed and b) gain sufficient political (and judicial) clout to finally get strong and effective restrictions in place.

Peace
James

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

Legalising it will decrease the amount of “maternal” deaths, but not the amount of aborted, the increase in the latter will more than account for the decrease in the former.

 

[PennyinCanada]

If abortions became illegal, and the people of faith spent a year repenting before God for the murders of the innocent, God would come and heal the land and bring His blessing. He would turn the hearts of the fathers to their children as we hear in the readings before Christmas. May it be so.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

So my mom and I have had a talk about how abortion is bad, but she argues that making abortion illegal won’t solve anything. She says that there was a time when she lived in Mexico that abortions were completely illegal. She said that the only thing that did was to make women who wanted to get an abortion to go to an underground clinic " the black market". This is much worse as not only is the child getting killed, but also the mother’s life is endangered.

I am completely against abortion, but I don’t think that illegalizing it would be the best solution if that means people will still get it and even endanger them our lives by going to an unorthodox place.

What are your views?

Abortion is not a safe procedure no matter where it’s done. The “back alley” abortions were exaggerated to a huge degree, there never were as many as the feminists insisted.

Planned Parenthood regularly calls 911 because of botched abortions.

 

[robwar]

Winning? The Church is not about winning, it is about the truth. And the truth always wins.

ncregister.com/daily-news/long-time-michigan-roadside-nativity-resurrected/

Peace,
Ed

I understand that completely. My point was to combat the idea that abortion does not need to be illegal, we just need to “change” the culture so people won’t choose it. but when something is legal, you will not successful combat this in the culture. That is happening now and we should do that no matter what the success is but to think that illegality of a behavior won’t make a difference is a total fallacy