Illegal Immigration is a Crime

[Fremont]

Illegal Immigration is a Crime

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

 

[Jeffrey]

Thank You for posting that… some pro illegal immigration ppl seem to think its not a crime

Illegal Immigration is a Crime

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

 

[onmywayagain]

The term “Illegal Immigration” speaks for itself. To bad people in this country can’t read english. There is nothing legal about being an illegal immigrant.

 

[manualman]

It was a crime for a black man to vote in many states as recently as our grandfather’s lifetimes. What’s your point?

Immigration policy in America is totally broken. If we perfectly enforced ALL our immigration laws today, the economy would implode. Current law allows unscrupulous employers to exploit illegals and puts the illegals in a situation where they cannot report crimes against them without fearing their own deportation. At the same time, our quotas for unskilled immigrants are far below what we NEED to make up for our shortage of young labor (thanks to abortion and contraception).

Stupid policies, stupid laws, stubborn and corrupt leaders.

I think we DO need to beef up border security. But we ought to do it AFTER we fix the broken system.

 

[Fremont]

It was a crime for a black man to vote in many states as recently as our grandfather’s lifetimes. What’s your point?

Immigration policy in America is totally broken. If we perfectly enforced ALL our immigration laws today, the economy would implode. Current law allows unscrupulous employers to exploit illegals and puts the illegals in a situation where they cannot report crimes against them without fearing their own deportation. At the same time, our quotas for unskilled immigrants are far below what we NEED to make up for our shortage of young labor (thanks to abortion and contraception).

Stupid policies, stupid laws, stubborn and corrupt leaders.

I think we DO need to beef up border security. But we ought to do it AFTER we fix the broken system.

I think most of us agree that laws promoting racial discrimination were bad. However I do not think there is any sort of analogy between racial discrimination laws and the laws that make illegal entry into the US a crime.

The US has every right, and even the responsibility, to do a reasonable effort to screen all people who wish to enter the US and to require that all foreign nationals obtain permission to enter. Are they who they say they are? Do they meet reasonable health standards? Do they have a legitimate reason for wanting to enter the US? Do they intend harm to the US? Etc., etc.

Thus it is reasonable and prudent to require all foreign nationals who wish to enter the US to do so via established ports of entry - - and to make it a crime to enter in a way that intentionally avoids or bypasses such legitimate screening.

The law cited in the opening message if this thread is reasonable.

I think the first thing we need to do to solve the immigration mess is to secure our borders.

I have little sympathy for the plights of illegal immigrants that you describe. They are true but the illegals made a choice knowing full well this would be the case. They must live with the consequences of that choice – just as we all have to live with the consequences of our choices.

 

[manualman]

Consider that it might be more effective AND more humane to remove much of the INCENTIVE for people to illegally immigrate if we provided a legal means for at least as many unskilled immigrants as we NEED! Seriously, what is the downside!?!

Why not use the carrot AND the stick?

 

[Jeffrey]

Thats fine… i’m fine with that… think the sticking point is… most of us don’t want to give amnesty to ppl who broke the law to get here.

As for taking away the incentive… I couldn’t agree more… need to make thier home countries improve the quality of life… so they won’t have to ‘migrate’ here to begin with.

Consider that it might be more effective AND more humane to remove much of the INCENTIVE for people to illegally immigrate if we provided a legal means for at least as many unskilled immigrants as we NEED! Seriously, what is the downside!?!

Why not use the carrot AND the stick?

 

[MikeinSD]

Putting employers of illegal immigrants in jail would be much more effective in preventing illegal immigration. That means executives of some very wealthy companies. Especially executives of large agricultural industries. I think my state of California would see an exodus of rich men fleeing the state in private jets and large boats

Politically, prosecution of employers of illegal immigrants simply will not happen. Money changes everything. Wealthy white men will never serve time for exploiting desperate brown men.

 

[Jeffrey]

Putting employers of illegal immigrants in jail would be much more effective in preventing illegal immigration. That means executives of some very wealthy companies. Especially executives of large agricultural industries. I think my state of California would see an exodus of rich men fleeing the state in private jets and large boats

Agreed.

Politically, prosecution of employers of illegal immigrants simply will not happen. Money changes everything. Wealthy white men will never serve time for exploiting desperate brown men.

IMO… I see it as more of a money issue than a race issue. JMO tho.

 

[Fremont]

Putting employers of illegal immigrants in jail would be much more effective in preventing illegal immigration. That means executives of some very wealthy companies. Especially executives of large agricultural industries. I think my state of California would see an exodus of rich men fleeing the state in private jets and large boats

Politically, prosecution of employers of illegal immigrants simply will not happen. Money changes everything. Wealthy white men will never serve time for exploiting desperate brown men.

You are right on.

But I do not think it is a race issue.

Remove the incentives and the illegal immigrants will stop coming and those already hear will be encouraged to leave.

Right again that a primary target should be employers of illegals

There is considerable serious discussion going on in congress on that very issue.

The tone seems to be that the government needs to develop a fast and convenient way for employers to confirm the legitimacy of normal credentials such as social security numbers, green cards, visas, etc. Once that is in place then severely crack down on employers who hire illegals with stiff fines and even jail time.

As for farms of any size, I think that the guest worker program for agricultural workers is utilized quite a bit already and there is also discussion about expanding that concept. The key is the guest worker must leave the US after a certain period of time.

 

[TempGuy]

I was doing a little research and came across this thread and wanted to clarify a misconception.

Illegal immigration is not a crime.
The original post is NOT the text of the actual law but a commentary.
Criminal laws are contained in title 18 of the US Code. Not in title 8. Entering illegally is a violation but not a crime. They don’t receive the protections of criminal procedure. If they’re caught, they don’t need to be read Miranda rights. There have been attempts in the past to make it a crime.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I was doing a little research and came across this thread and wanted to clarify a misconception.

Illegal immigration is not a crime.
The original post is NOT the text of the actual law but a commentary.
Criminal laws are contained in title 18 of the US Code. Not in title 8. Entering illegally is a violation but not a crime. They don’t receive the protections of criminal procedure. If they’re caught, they don’t need to be read Miranda rights. There have been attempts in the past to make it a crime.

Of course it is a crime. The US Code IS the law. While Crimes and Criminal laws are a part of Title 18…it is Section 8 that DIRECTLY addresses illegal immigration. I think you need to read and understand what the Code is.

I will say it AGAIN…illegal entry into this country IS a crime.

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by **criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. **Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

:heart:Blyss

 

[puzzleannie]

granted, and a much bigger crime is hiring illegals, especially when it involves exploitation and a means to avoid US employment laws regarding fair pay and working conditions, OSHA etc.

 

[crohnie4life]

A friend of mine sent this to me:

A lady wrote the best letter in the Editorials in ages!!!
It explains things better than all the baloney you hear on TV.
Her point:

Recently large demonstrations have taken place
across the country protesting the fact that Congress
is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration.

Certain people are angry that the US might
protect its own borders, might make it harder to
sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely.

Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.
Let’s say I break into your house.
Let’s say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave.
But I say, "I’ve made all the beds and washed the
dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors.
I’ve done all the things you don’t like to do.
I’m hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your house).

According to the protesters:
a… You are Required to let me stay in your house
b… You are Required to add me to your family’s insurance plan
c… You are Required to Educate my kids
d… You are Required to Provide other benefits to me and to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also
hard-working and honest, except for that breaking in part).

If you try to call the police or force me out,
I will call my friends who will picket your house
carrying signs that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.

It’s only fair, after all, because you have a
nicer house than I do, and I’m just trying to better myself.
I’m a hard-working and honest, person, except
for well, you know, I did break into your house.

And what a deal it is for me!!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep,and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and bigoted behavior. Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate with me. Why can’t people see how ridiculous this is?! Only in America…

 

[Durendin]

You want to stop illegal immigration?

Make it a 25 year mandatory sentence for anyone who employs an illegal worker. Two or three example sentences later and the problem will soon dry up.

But this will NEVER happen. Why? Easy. The current situation fuels the economy with cheap labour and the people who make the laws are the same people who benefit from the exploitation.

 

[Jeffrey]

I agree 100%. Its a crime.

Of course it is a crime. The US Code IS the law. While Crimes and Criminal laws are a part of Title 18…it is Section 8 that DIRECTLY addresses illegal immigration. I think you need to read and understand what the Code is.

I will say it AGAIN…illegal entry into this country IS a crime.

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by **criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. **Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Jeffrey]

An even better idea… if you caught in this country illegally… you get a 25 yr federal prison sentence.

You want to stop illegal immigration?

Make it a 25 year mandatory sentence for anyone who employs an illegal worker. Two or three example sentences later and the problem will soon dry up.

But this will NEVER happen. Why? Easy. The current situation fuels the economy with cheap labour and the people who make the laws are the same people who benefit from the exploitation.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

granted, and a much bigger crime is hiring illegals, especially when it involves exploitation and a means to avoid US employment laws regarding fair pay and working conditions, OSHA etc.

One is as bad as the other. BOTH should be dealt with forcefully. There should be much harsher punishments for employers, but that doesn’t make the crime of illegal immigration any less serious.

:heart:Blyss

 

[TempGuy]

OK the law isn’t what some guy posts on the internet.

I can do the same thing:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has NOT committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by CIVIL fines and imprisonment for up to six months.

Look up the US Code directly!
Being a lawyer, I think I know a thing or two. First thing is to go directly to the source. You can’t use opinions you find floating around the internet as proof.

I’m not arguing for or against amnesty or anything. Only wanted to let you guys in on the facts. It hurts your cause when you don’t know what you’re talking about. Fight to make it a crime if you want. Right now it is merely a violation.

 

[Jeffrey]

Agreed again.

Punish both severly… set an example… that should deter the crime of illegal border crossing.

One is as bad as the other. BOTH should be dealt with forcefully. There should be much harsher punishments for employers, but that doesn’t make the crime of illegal immigration any less serious.

:heart:Blyss