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I see nothing further from our in-house lawyer.
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From the link in post #43…
Open-borders advocates are right to say that immigration made America great: we are indeed, as the cliché goes, a nation of immigrants. But it’s important to understand why previous generations of immigrants succeeded in America, how they helped the country grow, and how today’s immigration differs. The popular image of the 24 million who came during the first great migration, from the 1880s to the 1920s, is that they were Europe’s “tired” and “poor” masses, desperately escaping political or religious persecution and stagnant economies, making their way here with a few threadbare possessions. But what’s forgotten is that many were also skilled workers. A 1998 National Academy of Sciences study noted that the immigrant workers of that era generally met or exceeded the skill levels of the native-born population, providing America’s workforce with a powerful boost just when the country was metamorphosing from an agrarian into an industrial economy.
This is in sharp contrast to the uneducated, low skilled workers that are coming illegally through the border now.
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Open-borders advocates are right to say that immigration made America great: we are indeed, as the cliché goes, a nation of immigrants. But it’s important to understand why previous generations of immigrants succeeded in America, how they helped the country grow, and how today’s immigration differs. The popular image of the 24 million who came during the first great migration, from the 1880s to the 1920s, is that they were Europe’s “tired” and “poor” masses, desperately escaping political or religious persecution and stagnant economies, making their way here with a few threadbare possessions. But what’s forgotten is that many were also skilled workers. A 1998 National Academy of Sciences study noted that the immigrant workers of that era generally met or exceeded the skill levels of the native-born population, providing America’s workforce with a powerful boost just when the country was metamorphosing from an agrarian into an industrial economy.
This is in sharp contrast to the uneducated, low skilled workers that are coming illegally through the border now.
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From the link in post #43…
Today, when success in our economy requires ever more skills and education, the vast majority of immigrants arrive without the skills or the education to fit in easily anywhere except at the lowest economic rung. A study by Harvard economists George Borjas and Lawrence Katz noted that 63 percent of Mexican immigrants are high school dropouts who on average earn 53 percent less than native workers when they enter the United States. Because such immigrants start so far behind, this income gap can persist for decades, research shows. Moreover, because so much of today’s immigration now hails from just a few countries (Mexican immigrants now represent 30 percent of America’s foreign-born population, whereas no two ethnic groups during the first great migration accounted for 25 percent), immigrants increasingly group in insulated communities of their own, where their children adopt the cultural attributes of their home country rather than those of America. High school graduation rates among the American-born children of Hispanic immigrants are much lower than the average in the rest of the native-born population, while census surveys have begun to record growing numbers of native-born Hispanics who don’t have English-language proficiency—nearly 3 million in the 2005 American Community Survey.
Today, when success in our economy requires ever more skills and education, the vast majority of immigrants arrive without the skills or the education to fit in easily anywhere except at the lowest economic rung. A study by Harvard economists George Borjas and Lawrence Katz noted that 63 percent of Mexican immigrants are high school dropouts who on average earn 53 percent less than native workers when they enter the United States. Because such immigrants start so far behind, this income gap can persist for decades, research shows. Moreover, because so much of today’s immigration now hails from just a few countries (Mexican immigrants now represent 30 percent of America’s foreign-born population, whereas no two ethnic groups during the first great migration accounted for 25 percent), immigrants increasingly group in insulated communities of their own, where their children adopt the cultural attributes of their home country rather than those of America. High school graduation rates among the American-born children of Hispanic immigrants are much lower than the average in the rest of the native-born population, while census surveys have begun to record growing numbers of native-born Hispanics who don’t have English-language proficiency—nearly 3 million in the 2005 American Community Survey.
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From the link in post #43…
Meanwhile, the benefits of so much low-wage immigration to our economy are minimal and increasingly outweighed by the costs. Low-skilled immigrant workers have crowded into service jobs that do little to make America more competitive internationally or more productive: they deliver our pizzas, cut our lawns, wash our cars. True, these immigrants push down prices of services for middle-class Americans, but they also depress the wages of low-skilled native-born workers, according to Borjas and Katz, and recent studies show that they probably raise the unemployment levels of native-born blacks and Hispanics. Not surprisingly, a 1997 study by economists for the National Academy of Sciences estimated the net benefits of immigration at only $10 billion in our $8 trillion economy, while the next year an NAS study of the social costs of immigration reported that in California each native-born family paid nearly $1,200 more in taxes to support government services that went to immigrants. Those costs will only grow as the number of immigrants in America increases. The Heritage Institute’s Robert Rector has estimated that each immigrant high school dropout will cost U.S. taxpayers $85,000 over his lifetime. Enacting amnesty for illegals already here, as well as creating a new guest-worker program, Rector calculates, would eventually add some $46 billion a year in social costs—including welfare—to the federal government.
This makes a very good point about how the illegals are contributing to the low skilled jobs…easing out many low skilled workers in our own country.
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Meanwhile, the benefits of so much low-wage immigration to our economy are minimal and increasingly outweighed by the costs. Low-skilled immigrant workers have crowded into service jobs that do little to make America more competitive internationally or more productive: they deliver our pizzas, cut our lawns, wash our cars. True, these immigrants push down prices of services for middle-class Americans, but they also depress the wages of low-skilled native-born workers, according to Borjas and Katz, and recent studies show that they probably raise the unemployment levels of native-born blacks and Hispanics. Not surprisingly, a 1997 study by economists for the National Academy of Sciences estimated the net benefits of immigration at only $10 billion in our $8 trillion economy, while the next year an NAS study of the social costs of immigration reported that in California each native-born family paid nearly $1,200 more in taxes to support government services that went to immigrants. Those costs will only grow as the number of immigrants in America increases. The Heritage Institute’s Robert Rector has estimated that each immigrant high school dropout will cost U.S. taxpayers $85,000 over his lifetime. Enacting amnesty for illegals already here, as well as creating a new guest-worker program, Rector calculates, would eventually add some $46 billion a year in social costs—including welfare—to the federal government.
This makes a very good point about how the illegals are contributing to the low skilled jobs…easing out many low skilled workers in our own country.
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These posts make no sense. If these were correct why did child labor laws have to be enacted? The answer is the immigrants were not providing skilled labor, they were providing a better living for themselves. The racial slurs used then are still known today. Second skilled labor is valuable, but “skill” is a relative term. The idea that we could educate every one as a scientist and thus having a nuclear scientist performing dry wall installation at $200 per hour would be normal is an unwise prediction. A society needs a wide range of services to include dry wall, painting, and lawn care. It is good to educate everybody; however the education is a preparation for value adding not the value adding in and of its self. .
These posts make no sense. If these were correct why did child labor laws have to be enacted? The answer is the immigrants were not providing skilled labor, they were providing a better living for themselves. The racial slurs used then are still known today. Second skilled labor is valuable, but “skill” is a relative term. The idea that we could educate every one as a scientist and thus having a nuclear scientist performing dry wall installation at $200 per hour would be normal is an unwise prediction. A society needs a wide range of services to include dry wall, painting, and lawn care. It is good to educate everybody; however the education is a preparation for value adding not the value adding in and of its self. .
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Again this implies business hire people which you characterize as uneducated, non-English speaking illegals; risking fines when they could have hired white, educated, natives for the same cost. The business is not that dumb.
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Ituyu;1881836:
Your logic was simply faulty. The point was that my breaking the parking codes is an “infraction” and that it is NOT a “criminal” offense. So no, people that are guilty of such violations are NOT criminals. Not paying a ticket is another matter. However, there have been instances where I have not paid the tickets that were issued and still I am not a “criminal”.You were the one to mention about your parking tickets…I have never had any myself…but anyone knows that if you (maybe not the “literal” you)
The unintentional consequences of our policies lined the pockets of “coyotes”. It would have been more cost effective to have generated income through fees paid for processing and it would have also allowed us to screen those we didn’t want. We would have generated monies from the applicants and would have saved us monies spent on enforcement. The net result would have been an immediate reduction in “illegal” entry and an increased ability to go after real threats. Now that’s something you say that you want, right?
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Now, that’s charitable.
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What a nice comment from you too, but those are the facts. Those have been the facts previously when it came to immigrants being admitted to this country.Now, that’s charitable.
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You seem to be having a hard distingusing between facts, and your opinions.What a nice comment from you too, but those are the facts. Those have been the facts previously when it came to immigrants being admitted to this country.
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Well, then maybe you should try doing some reading and then come back and comment. That is a fact and my opinion…
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exactly… That is a fact and my opinion…
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By the way how about an answer on why the people you believe were well educated lived in slums and their children worked in the factories.
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Would you care to clarify that remark? FYI…unfortunately there are many Americans who are uneducated and undereducated. That is a sad fact…and I really don’t like seeing them having to compete for low paying unskilled jobs with illegals aliens. Our OWN citizens should come first…or do you think that doesn’t happen/ LOL
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You made a series of posts #43, #44, #46, & #47 Let me pull a quote for you " *But what’s forgotten is that many were also skilled workers. A 1998 National Academy of Sciences study noted that the immigrant workers of that era generally met or exceeded the skill levels of the native-born population, providing America’s workforce with a powerful boost just when the country was metamorphosing from an agrarian into an industrial economy " * So if you believe that, Why did they send their children to work in factories? Why did they live in slums? Why did the government have to enact child labor laws to stop some of that?Would you care to clarify that remark? FYI…unfortunately there are many Americans who are uneducated and undereducated. That is a sad fact…and I really don’t like seeing them having to compete for low paying unskilled jobs with illegals aliens. Our OWN citizens should come first…or do you think that doesn’t happen/ LOL
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As for your new tangent 1) U.S. Low skilled workers already compete with every other low skilled worker in the world. 2) The immigrants create jobs by providing a range of labor. If you deport all the immigrants you simple export jobs to match. Even when you can not export lawn care you simply export more of other jobs like rubber workers until the lawn care worker are available through displaced employees. That is the way it is, exporting too many jobs can create problems as occurred in Japan.
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Open-borders advocates are right to say that immigration made America great: we are indeed, as the cliché goes, a nation of immigrants. But it’s important to understand why previous generations of immigrants succeeded in America, how they helped the country grow, and how today’s immigration differs. The popular image of the 24 million who came during the first great migration, from the 1880s to the 1920s, is that they were Europe’s “tired” and “poor” masses, desperately escaping political or religious persecution and stagnant economies, making their way here with a few threadbare possessions. But what’s forgotten is that many were also skilled workers. A 1998 National Academy of Sciences study noted that the immigrant workers of that era generally met or exceeded the skill levels of the native-born population, providing America’s workforce with a powerful boost just when the country was metamorphosing from an agrarian into an industrial economy
Tex…I think you are having a problem with comprehension. The IMMIGRANTS that are being mentioned in the article you quoted from were the IMMIGRANTS…that came to this country in the 1880s and 1920s note where it states the immigrant workers OF THAT ERA They were NOT referring to IlLEGAL immigrants of today…surely if you reread that paragraph you would realize that and taking out of context to try to substantiate your claims is facetious.
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Tex…I think you are having a problem with comprehension. The IMMIGRANTS that are being mentioned in the article you quoted from were the IMMIGRANTS…that came to this country in the 1880s and 1920s note where it states the immigrant workers OF THAT ERA They were NOT referring to IlLEGAL immigrants of today…surely if you reread that paragraph you would realize that and taking out of context to try to substantiate your claims is facetious.
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