Illegal Immigration is a Crime

[Al_Masetti]

I had heard that the first infraction is a misdemeanor and the second is a felony.

But I’m not a lawyer, so what do I know.

 

[Kendy]

Thank You for posting that… some pro illegal immigration ppl seem to think its not a crime

The OP did not anyone anything he didn’t already know. No one doubts that illegal immigration is against the law; the only cause of debate is whether the law is just. That’s the only point worth debating.

 

[Kendy]

Putting employers of illegal immigrants in jail would be much more effective in preventing illegal immigration. That means executives of some very wealthy companies. Especially executives of large agricultural industries. I think my state of California would see an exodus of rich men fleeing the state in private jets and large boats

Politically, prosecution of employers of illegal immigrants simply will not happen. Money changes everything. Wealthy white men will never serve time for exploiting desperate brown men.

which is why i find debate on this topic pretty silly. it is in america’s economic advantage to have illegal immigrants. while working class americans may bear the cost, the overall benefit to the economy as well as the benefit to the upper class, makes an real effort to combat illegal immigration unlikely.

 

[rlg94086]

Putting employers of illegal immigrants in jail would be much more effective in preventing illegal immigration. That means executives of some very wealthy companies. Especially executives of large agricultural industries. I think my state of California would see an exodus of rich men fleeing the state in private jets and large boats

Politically, prosecution of employers of illegal immigrants simply will not happen. Money changes everything. Wealthy white men will never serve time for exploiting desperate brown men.

Wow…I missed this one until Kendy responded. What’s with the racism? Do you think that no illegal aliens work for wealthy brown men?

 

[Kendy]

Wow…I missed this one until Kendy responded. What’s with the racism? Do you think that no illegal aliens work for wealthy brown men?

We seem to have lost sight of what racism actually is. And I am suprised at myself for saying this (I verry rarely get upset about racism), but I am a little tired of people on this sub-forum crying out racism whenever the word “white” is mentioned.

This is not evidence of racism. Pointing out that brown illegal immigrants GENERALLY work for wealthy white men is a reality. Of course, there may be a black people who hire Mexicans, there may be Asians, or even other Mexicans, etc. But generally speaking what the poster said is a statistical fact, which malignes no one.

Racism involves the systematic or institutional oppression of a group of people because of their ethnicity. Simply pointing out that white people are more likely to be in a position to exploit immigrant labor is not racism. It’s not even a good example of prejudice.

Kendy

 

[SeekerJen]

An even better idea… if you caught in this country illegally… you get a 25 yr federal prison sentence.

Wouldn’t immediate deportation be the better option, financially speaking? That way they aren’t spending the next 25 years being kept on the US taxpayers’ dime.

 

[Kendy]

Wouldn’t immediate deportation be the better option, financially speaking? That way they aren’t spending the next 25 years being kept on the US taxpayers’ dime.

1. Since illegal immigrants cannot receive most state and federal resources, they are being kept on no one’s dime. We can all find cases where a particular immigrant abused US resources, but the overwhelimg majority of immigrants come here to work, and most of them work more than a 40 hour shift.
2. Immediate deportation (which is not going to happen) would be very expensive to carry out and financially reckless since it would disrupt our economy by pulling away a large portion of the labor force and cause an sudden increase in wages and prices, not to mention instability.

 

[SeekerJen]

1. Since illegal immigrants cannot receive most state and federal resources, they are being kept on no one’s dime.

My comment was in response to a previous call to put all illegals in federal prison for 25 years. As I assume “federal” means “US gov’t owned”, in that case, they would be on the US taxpayers’ dime. That doesn’t seem to be the most logical course of action when a major argument against illegals is that they are draining our taxpayer-funded resources.

 

[Kendy]

My comment was in response to a previous call to put all illegals in federal prison for 25 years. As I assume “federal” means “US gov’t owned”, in that case, they would be on the US taxpayers’ dime. That doesn’t seem to be the most logical course of action when a major argument against illegals is that they are draining our taxpayer-funded resources.

Ok.

 

[Jeffrey]

Not sure… with the free to them healthcare… getting on Welfare ( with fake creds )… it might be comparable.

If they actually make the border a deterrent… then yes.

FTR: I am also for punishing the ppl that hire illegals.

Wouldn’t immediate deportation be the better option, financially speaking? That way they aren’t spending the next 25 years being kept on the US taxpayers’ dime.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

25 years in prison for hiring some one who displayed papers, if the papers turned out to counterfeit or someone else’s papers? Lets see then employers would stop being employers instead they would be forced to contract all actions. As contractor work booms illegal immigrants would have an easier time being employed (self employed) in the U.S. So the objective of this law is to aid illegal immigrants?

 

[Nohome]

Being a lawyer, I think I know a thing or two. First thing is to go directly to the source. You can’t use opinions you find floating around the internet as proof.

I’m not arguing for or against amnesty or anything. Only wanted to let you guys in on the facts. It hurts your cause when you don’t know what you’re talking about. Fight to make it a crime if you want. Right now it is merely a violation.

I’m not a lawyer, but I work with enough of them that I understand how important words are to their profession. Perhaps you could write an example us mere mortals might understand. Right now, I have a hard time understanding the difference between violated law and commiting a crime.

Is 45 in a 35 zone a violation while DWI is a crime? I’d like to know the difference.

Nohome

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

TempGuy…

Illegal immigration IS addressed in the US Code which is the consolidation and codification of the general and permanent laws of the United States. So, maybe you could explain to us…since you are a lawyer…how a law in the US Code could not be considered a federal law…and you don’t need to use size 7 font and scream at us. thank you

:heart:Blyss

 

[mary_bobo]

OK the law isn’t what some guy posts on the internet.

I can do the same thing:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has NOT committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by CIVIL fines and imprisonment for up to six months.

Look up the US Code directly!
Being a lawyer, I think I know a thing or two. First thing is to go directly to the source. You can’t use opinions you find floating around the internet as proof.

I’m not arguing for or against amnesty or anything. Only wanted to let you guys in on the facts. It hurts your cause when you don’t know what you’re talking about. Fight to make it a crime if you want. Right now it is merely a violation.

Thank you for your mature response.

 

[Ituyu]

OK the law isn’t what some guy posts on the internet.

I can do the same thing:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
has NOT committed a federal crime.
Violations are punishable by CIVIL fines and imprisonment for up to six months.

Look up the US Code directly!
Being a lawyer, I think I know a thing or two. First thing is to go directly to the source. You can’t use opinions you find floating around the internet as proof.

I’m not arguing for or against amnesty or anything. Only wanted to let you guys in on the facts. It hurts your cause when you don’t know what you’re talking about. Fight to make it a crime if you want. Right now it is merely a violation.

I didn’t fine the “It’s a federal crime” clause in the Code. It’s been mentioned before but it hasn’t stopped the “It’s a crime” mantra. Maybe now?

 

[Ituyu]

I didn’t fine the “It’s a federal crime” clause in the Code. It’s been mentioned before but it hasn’t stopped the “It’s a crime” mantra. Maybe now?

“Fine” should read “FIND”. Sorry.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I didn’t fine the “It’s a federal crime” clause in the Code. It’s been mentioned before but it hasn’t stopped the “It’s a crime” mantra. Maybe now?

I didn’t find it in the Code either and that is why I am asking for clarification, since this person says they are a lawyer. However…I would think that if illegal immigration is listed in the CODE it would be a crime…since there are penalties associated with it. If it were NOT a crime…there would be no penalties. Since it is listed in the US Code I would also think it would be a federal crime. We shall see if Mr. Lawyer comes back with any more information that he doesn’t have to shout at us.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Ituyu]

I didn’t find it in the Code either and that is why I am asking for clarification, since this person says they are a lawyer. However…I would think that if illegal immigration is listed in the CODE it would be a crime…since there are penalties associated with it. If it were NOT a crime…there would be no penalties. Since it is listed in the US Code I would also think it would be a federal crime. We shall see if Mr. Lawyer comes back with any more information that he doesn’t have to shout at us.

:heart:Blyss

Quite frankly, I think his explanation was quite reasonable and straightforward. Violations are not crimes. I’ve had a number of parking tickets, that’s against the law, an “infraction”, am I a criminal too?

In actuality, I think that criminalization may well make reform a greater probability because our courts would be flooded with jury trials and there would be no room to hold these people while they awaited trials. In short, the process for deportations would likely slow down dramatically and/or the legal and administrative costs would increase exponentially. So be careful what you want Blyss, you may not like what you get.

 

[Jeffrey]

I’m thinking its a crime:

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, “Improper Entry by Alien,” any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

• Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
• Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
• Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;
  has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/isacrime.html

I didn’t find it in the Code either and that is why I am asking for clarification, since this person says they are a lawyer. However…I would think that if illegal immigration is listed in the CODE it would be a crime…since there are penalties associated with it. If it were NOT a crime…there would be no penalties. Since it is listed in the US Code I would also think it would be a federal crime. We shall see if Mr. Lawyer comes back with any more information that he doesn’t have to shout at us.

See: Unlawful entry a crime since '29 - Rocky Mountain News – June 11, 2006

caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=8&sec=1325

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Quite frankly, I think his explanation was quite reasonable and straightforward. Violations are not crimes. I’ve had a number of parking tickets, that’s against the law, an “infraction”, am I a criminal too?

In actuality, I think that criminalization may well make reform a greater probability because our courts would be flooded with jury trials and there would be no room to hold these people while they awaited trials. In short, the process for deportations would likely slow down dramatically and/or the legal and administrative costs would increase exponentially. So be careful what you want Blyss, you may not like what you get.

I don’t know about where you live, but rack up enough parking tickets and you can be put in JAIL!!..Hence.yes, you would be a criminal.

I think that when an illegal enters this country…they should be immediately deported. They should not have the “right” to a hearing. We have in this country former military bases that could be used to “house” these people pending deportation. As for the money it costs…what price do we put on our safety…our sovereignty? I would be willing to see it paid. It would be better spent than the billions every month on Iraq.

:heart:Blyss