Illinois Senator Dick Durbin sends letter to Pope Francis regarding Cardinal repeated insults towards gay US Ambassador

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"An openly gay US ambassador to the Dominican Republic has faced repeated insults from a Catholic cardinal in the country over his sexual orientation.

Cardinal Archbishop Nicolas de Jesus Lopez Rodriguez has derided Ambassador James ‘Wally’ Brewster, who is married to Bob Satawake, since the diplomat came to the island two years ago.

The treatment, which has included calling for a protest and calling him the Dominican equivalent of a f****t, prompted Brewster’s friend and Illinois Senator Dick Durbin to send a letter to Pope Francis.

Senator Durbin, who is Catholic, had sent a letter earlier this month saying ‘the Church’s teachings on gay marriage are well known, but the Church also teaches us to show tolerance for those with different sexual orientations’.

‘The intolerant public statements of Cardinal Rodriguez are inconsistent with that clearly stated value’.

Homosexuality is legal in the Dominican Republic, but the country is socially conservative and influenced by Catholic teaching."

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371487/Gay-American-ambassador-Dominican-Republic-derided-sexual-orientation-local-cardinal-two-years.html#ixzz3v9Ef7FjL
 
Dick Durbin is the Assistant Minority Leader; which is a fairly senior position in the US Senate and being Catholic he’s in a fairly good position to write such a such a letter. If the accusations are true; church teaching is pretty clear and this would be very unacceptable behavior from a Cardinal.if so.
 
PJH_74 said:
Dick Durbin is the Assistant Minority Leader; which is a fairly senior position in the US Senate and being Catholic he’s in a fairly good position to write such a such a letter. If the accusations are true; church teaching is pretty clear and this would be very unacceptable behavior from a Cardinal.if so.
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And as judge and jure, I declare it so.
 
Papa Francis is highly critical of those who act as this Cardinal is. Here’s hoping that the situation is resolved quickly.:o
 
kozlosap said:
Papa Francis is highly critical of those who act as this Cardinal is. Here’s hoping that the situation is resolved quickly.:o
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Since the Dominican Republic “is socially conservative and influenced by Catholic teaching”, Obama clearly intended his appointment of an openly gay ambassador as a slap in the face; a terrible show of disrespect to a sovereign nation.

Ambassador Brewster is a former homosexual activist and cochair for the Democratic National Committee (surprise!), hardly a shrinking violet who would not embarrass his host country by advocating anti-Catholic policies. Not that this is anything new for Obama: lifesitenews.com/news/obama-slated-to-name-five-openly-homosexual-foreign-ambassadors

Obama has even slapped Pope Francis in the face: Here
lifenews.com/2013/11/26/obama-administration-snubs-catholic-church-with-vatican-embassy-downgrade/

and here: lifenews.com/2014/04/24/obama-sends-pro-abortion-delegation-to-vatican-to-canonize-popes/

When the French Socialist government tried to send a gay ambassador to the Vatican, the Pope would not accept him:
religionnews.com/2015/04/23/pope-met-french-vatican-ambassador-nominee-considered-gay/

I don’t know where that situation is today.

In any case, we haven’t heard the Cardinal’s side. Three cheers for the Dominican Republic prelate, as far as I’m concerned.
 
KSU said:
In any case, we haven’t heard the Cardinal’s side. Three cheers for the Dominican Republic prelate, as far as I’m concerned.
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I agree.

Furthermore, Senator Durbin should look at his own record. But I will give him credit for abstaining from communion once his own bishop asked him to (because of his quite vocal position on abortion).
 
KSU said:
Since the Dominican Republic “is socially conservative and influenced by Catholic teaching”, Obama clearly intended his appointment of an openly gay ambassador as a slap in the face; a terrible show of disrespect to a sovereign nation.

Ambassador Brewster is a former homosexual activist and cochair for the Democratic National Committee (surprise!), hardly a shrinking violet who would not embarrass his host country by advocating anti-Catholic policies
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It’s absolutely common for ambassadors to be political appointments, especially to small countries. Having been to Haiti a few times, I’m a bit cynical that those catholic values are applied when convenient.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
"An openly gay US ambassador to the Dominican Republic has faced repeated insults from a Catholic cardinal in the country over his sexual orientation.

Cardinal Archbishop Nicolas de Jesus Lopez Rodriguez has derided Ambassador James ‘Wally’ Brewster, who is married to Bob Satawake, since the diplomat came to the island two years ago.

The treatment, which has included calling for a protest and calling him the Dominican equivalent of a f****t, prompted Brewster’s friend and Illinois Senator Dick Durbin to send a letter to Pope Francis.

Senator Durbin, who is Catholic, had sent a letter earlier this month saying ‘the Church’s teachings on gay marriage are well known, but the Church also teaches us to show tolerance for those with different sexual orientations’.

‘The intolerant public statements of Cardinal Rodriguez are inconsistent with that clearly stated value’.

Homosexuality is legal in the Dominican Republic, but the country is socially conservative and influenced by Catholic teaching."

Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371487/Gay-American-ambassador-Dominican-Republic-derided-sexual-orientation-local-cardinal-two-years.html#ixzz3v9Ef7FjL
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Thanks for starting a thread based on a news story that is at least three persons removed from actual quotes. :rolleyes:

Can you provide substantial real quotes from the Arbp? Any real context?
All you have here is paraphrasing from a journalistic source that is not exactly reliable.
Why do you post this as Catholic news?
 
KSU said:
In any case, we haven’t heard the Cardinal’s side. Three cheers for the Dominican Republic prelate, as far as I’m concerned.
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Cheering someone for using an offensive term is warranted?

I would hope that a Cardinal would be above such behaviors.
 
ringil said:
Cheering someone for using an offensive term is warranted?

I would hope that a Cardinal would be above such behaviors.
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Definitely, no cheering is called for.

What did the Arbp say? I do not speak Spanish, and have not seen actual quotes anywhere, so it’s hard to pass judgment on anyone’s behavior. :hmmm:

But the whole thing makes for great conversation, for sure.
 
PJH_74 said:
Dick Durbin is the Assistant Minority Leader; which is a fairly senior position in the US Senate and being Catholic he’s in a fairly good position to write such a such a letter. If the accusations are true; church teaching is pretty clear and this would be very unacceptable behavior from a Cardinal.if so.
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Dick Durbin has been ordered by his Bishop to not receiving communion due to the positions Durbin holds.

Durbin’s original priest who made that determination is now a Bishop himself.

So Durbin really shouldn’t be throwing stones. After all, who is he to judge?
 
PJH_74 said:
It’s absolutely common for ambassadors to be political appointments…
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Of course it is, my friend. But it’s neither common nor decent for a president to act with shameless antagonism towards Catholic doctrine, especially in a sovereign host nation with a Catholic culture, by appointing an ambassador whose mission it is to culturally undermine those doctrines.

But common decency no longer prevails in U.S. foreign policy. Religion is just a bug on the windshield of the almighty god Progressivism. It’s no secrete (except in the politically corrupt U.S. media) that spreading/forcing acceptance of homosexuality, abortion and contraception is central to the Obama Administration’s “charitable” and diplomatic policy, no matter the moral culture of the countries involved. Ask the African prelates who complain about it.

Then there are the Muslim extremists who are less patient with Obama than the Holy Father and the African and Dominican Republic prelates. The Islamic extremists in Benghazi who had warned of their displeasure for months, were simply ignored, as was our forsaken Ambassador Stevens. As far as I know, Chris Stevens, unlike our Ambassador to the Dominican Republic, was not actively insensitive to his host’s culture.

Nevertheless, the Muslim extremists eventually kidnapped and tortured Ambassador Stevens to death, and killed three of his defenders who had disobeyed military? instructions by hurrying to the Ambassador’s aid.

No, I’m not defending the alleged intemperate language of Cardinal Archbishop Nicolas de Jesus Lopez Rodriguez. I’ve said worse, so I’m still giving him three cheers.

Sincerely, Merry Christmas, my friend. And Wesołych Świąt Bożego Narodzenia, to you, ProVobis
 
clem456 said:
Thanks for starting a thread based on a news story that is at least three persons removed from actual quotes. :rolleyes:

**You are welcome. 👍 The Cardinal has been very uncharitable in his comments.
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Can you provide substantial real quotes from the Arbp? Any real context? **I’m sure you are capable of doing your own research,

latintimes.com/dominican-cardinal-calls-gay-american-ambassador-wife-tells-him-go-take-care-his-356977**

bostonglobe.com/news/world/2015/12/02/dominican-cardinal-calls-gay-official-wife-spat/ldtAbN1ppxJWIbcvPyiB3K/story.html

All you have here is paraphrasing from a journalistic source that is not exactly reliable.

**Fox News and CNN are not reliable. Very view journalistic source are reliable. (see links above)
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Why do you post this as Catholic news? **I dunno perhaps it is because the cardinal is Catholic and represents the Catholic Church and a Catholic senator who is writing to Pope Francis to complain about the Cardinals uncharitable behaviour. **:rolleyes:
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It’s strange that the Cardinal would express any major issue with opposition to corruption so publicly, even if he thought it was not really the ambassador’s place to do so. Much less so with such a nasty word. You would think an emissary of the Catholic Church would be on the side of reducing corruption. Knowing a little Spanish myself, there is no overblowing that a cardinal should not be using such language. I learned this word working in a kitchen with some Mexican immigrants growing up.
 
KSU said:
In any case, we haven’t heard the Cardinal’s side. Three cheers for the Dominican Republic prelate, as far as I’m concerned.
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Two choices here. Either the Cardinal did as accused or didn’t.

If he did, then what are you cheering? Do you consider it a positive thing to publicly insult someone and called them derogatory names? You can dislike gay marriage and the acceptability of homosexuality in the common arena these days, but that doesn’t make it a-ok to be offensive towards someone. Two wrongs do not make a right. They certainly don’t draw people to our Church or give a good example of the Catholic faith.

Or he didn’t do it, in which case there is nothing to cheer.
 
PJH_74 said:
It’s strange that the Cardinal would express any major issue with opposition to corruption so publicly, even if he thought it was not really the ambassador’s place to do so. Much less so with such a nasty word. You would think an emissary of the Catholic Church would be on the side of reducing corruption. Knowing a little Spanish myself, there is no overblowing that a cardinal should not be using such language. I learned this word working in a kitchen with some Mexican immigrants growing up.
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Does anyone know if there is much social or state interaction between an Ambassador and an Archbishop? If so, one would think proper protocol would be in order. If not, then why would the Cardinal care one way or another about the personal life of the US Ambassador?
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Does anyone know if there is much social or state interaction between an Ambassador and an Archbishop? If so, one would think proper protocol would be in order. If not, then why would the Cardinal care one way or another about the personal life of the US Ambassador?
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It is possible the Cardinal doesn’t want the Ambassador or his husband to spend eternity in hell but whatever happened to correcting from a place of love.

Insulting people usually ensures that they avoid you and all that you represent.

Pray for all involved here.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
It is possible the Cardinal doesn’t want the Ambassador or his husband to spend eternity in hell but whatever happened to correcting from a place of love.

Insulting people usually ensures that they avoid you and all that you represent.

Pray for all involved here.
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Do you think that the Archbishop’s comments come from a place of pastoral concern? Really?
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Did I say that? Really? :rolleyes:

Read my entire post. I always prefer to see the good in people and don’t judge on a single action.
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Sorry, I was asking your opinion, not putting words into your mouth/ er… page. I should have phrased it differently.
 
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