I'm a good person I don't need God

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I don’t even know what I meant. Lol. I don’t fall for that argument if you don’t believe as I do then you’ll go to hell.
You have to pray, read and work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. If you’re Catholic, you have to accept with docility the teachings of the Church. Sometimes this is a struggle, but it can be overcome with prayer and study.
 
“I know a lot of really moral people that don’t believe in God” and similar “one doesn’t have to believe in God to be a good person” type responses.

How would you respond to that?
My response would be like this: A person’s morality of formed by the culture they live in. What culture do we live in? We live in a culture called “Western Civilization.” It is the product of Christianity. Christianity, in particular Catholicism, formed Western Civilization and gave it a moral code.

Before Christianity, Europeans used to sacrifice people. They were sometimes cannibals. Before Christianity, the natives of North and South America used to sacrifice people by the thousands. They sacrificed children to the rain god, and they would make the children cry before they were killed because it brought more rain. They ripped people’s beating hearts out of their chests with their bare hands.

Christianity changed that. So if you are a product of Western Civilization, and you know it’s wrong to murder, steal, lie or cheat on your spouse, you can thank the civilizing effect of Christ and His Church for that.
 
I quoted Philippians 2:12.

I’ve always interpreted “fear” to mean that one should be careful not to embrace false beliefs.
 
I’d say you’re absolutely correct! You don’t have to believe in God to be a moral person. Let them see Christ in your actions, how you live, how you treat others. You’re most likely not going to convince anyone that they need God in one conversation. Welcome!
 
Lol. Well if they can dish it out, I expect we can meet their arguments with sound logic!
 
I suggest reading C.S. Lewis’ Mere Christianity. It’s a short read that addresses this in very simple terms which I will not paraphrase nearly so well.

Most of us can be nice, upstanding people without religion. Much of what is moral is obvious just by observing human nature. But none of us are perfect. Even the nicest of us have times when we’re petty, selfish, unjustly angry, do small little things on occasion we know we shouldn’t, snap when we don’t mean to, are envious or act jealously, have wrongful feelings. While we may do these things in ways that seem relatively small compared to other massive evils in the world, ultimately they diminish our holiness and goodness and create barriers between us and God. Only in humility and in repenting our sins to God, seeking to be holy, can we truly set foot on the path towards a total transformation to perfect goodness. Most never achieve it in this life. There are many Christians with many failings. Some may have more faults amd vices than some atheists. But in recognizing amd repenting their faults, even if they continually struggle with them more, they are pointed in the right direction towards what they want to be: holy and good. Not just satisfied with where they are, even if it’s “very nice,” and ultimately missing the mark in the end.
 
More often than not, when I open up to people about my Catholic faith I hear the above or “I know a lot of really moral people that don’t believe in God” and similar “one doesn’t have to believe in God to be a good person” type responses.
God needs good people on his team.
I used to think I was a good person until one day I realised I wasn’t as good as I thought.
There’s always room for improvement especially for people who think they don’t need to improve.
Life is more than just being a good person anyway.
 
If they truly are good, they are of God whether they realize it or not.
 
But these arguments “only in repenting our sins…” is NOT an argument I would buy if I were an atheist. I would say “Sez who? I am living a perfectly happy moral life without God.”

I am actually listening to John Cleese read “The Screwtape Letters” because I heard there was a good answer in that. I have read “Mere Christianity” but I will re-read it because honestly I don’t remember it was so long ago!

I am starting to think the answer lies in the question “do you believe Jesus was the son of God or not?” If you do, then your response above would make sense. But its a question of it doesn’t matter if you are moral, its a question of what is the truth.

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

Rose
 
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Well, God IS goodness. Anything that is truly good in you is God’s fingerprints; His work in you. Saying you can be good without Good is nonsense!
 
With the Catholic church, saying it’s the “one true church” isn’t pride. It’s a reality!
 
One thing I would warn if speaking to someone who is not a Christian who says they don’t need God, they are not going to be swayed by references to Christian scripture.

It would be the same if a Muslim asked a person why they don’t need Allah and quoted passages from the Quran.
 
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Beautiful response. I should just say a response I agree with. I think it is very easy to rationalize the little evils committed if we judge ourselves to be an overall good person.
 
I find it offensive when people think Christians are lesser because we need to believe in God to be a good person, whereas they are more superior because they do not.
 
I find it offensive when people think Christians are lesser because we need to believe in God to be a good person, whereas they are more superior because they do not.
Well you won’t get that from me! I praise good people as a whole.

I find it is the occasional (and I stress occasional) Christian who says that they would be irredeemably evil without God.
 
I agree but these arguments would fall flat to an atheist. If you don’t believe in God then this doesn’t make sense. And they also might say that God will judge them in the end. We don’t know who will be saved either.
 
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