I'm an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?

[Texas_Roofer]

To say I find these writing offensive and leading is to be kind

Texas-Roofer;

What you see is as badgering etc. or not showing what the church teaches etc. is not true. If you look back at other threads where some of us have conversed with Teen before you will see that he has been given church teaching etc. already.
If you feel that some part of Church teaching is missing by all means include it then.
You bring up masturbation, have you posted the church teaching on that? You mention celibacy have you posted the church teaching on that?
His confusion, I would think, comes from the point that what the Church teaches goes against what he wants to do, and he is not sure how to rectify those two things. That is why Courage has been suggested. It is my understanding that he is in therapy already but is once again getting conflicting information, hence this leads to more confusion on what is morally right and not.

These dirty political tactics speak of your morals you know masturbations and celibacy were mentioned as undesirable because they include heterosexuals and reduced the finger pointing at homosexual practices which are being over blown.

TEEN-
Let me ask you, you know what God teaches about homosexual acts and homosexual people. If your dream was in contradiction to these teachings do you really think it was a dream from God or Satan the ultimate liar?

More political tactics you tied his dream to contradiction of God’s teaching (specifically which action in his dream was it) then you tied it to the Satan quickly to exclude all other possibilities. ( I could say if you dream of being rich it shows you converse at night with Satan and worship his works- but that would be a dirty political trick)

Teen,
So God would tell you to do something that went against his teachings? That makes no sense, sorry.
I am sorry but what exactly about homosexuality are you asking God is wrong?

If God told you to murder your parents in a dream (totally against his teachings) would you do it?

Here we go this is a good idea lets smear him with murders, and later will use other undesirable conditions as well, ultimately beating down homosexuals is our only goal

OK. Something we can agree on.

It hurts God and it hurts you (you did just spend time in a hospital partly due to your homosexuality).
You have been shown church teaching on sin, heaven, hell, and on homosexuality. How in light of Christ’s teaching can you say it does not hurt anybody? How in light of Christ’s teaching can you say homosexual acts ** are moral, when Christ clearly points out that they are not?**

Hay nice job that screaming anal and or oral drew public attention so lets point at the hospital we could call him a nut job, and nice way to slide in lier, he told you his answer we just ignore that

So the teachings in the bible on homosexuality are wrong? Christ is wrong? God is wrong? Do you see how silly this looks/sounds?
It is in your own mind that homosexuality is ok, in total disregard to what Christ teaches.

Teen, we have been over this before.

more of the same the kid did not say that you did, so why are you asking him to be responsible for your speech.

O-KAY! So where they wrong about the 10 commandments to?

I hope the kid does not know the Ten Commandments were written by God BTW SHOULD WE HIDE WHAT CHRIST ACTUAL SAID ON THE SUBJECT??? how about you type that for us

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

To say I find these writing offensive and leading is to be kind

These dirty political tactics speak of your morals you know masturbations and celibacy were mentioned as undesirable because they include heterosexuals and reduced the finger pointing at homosexual practices which are being over blown.

More political tactics you tied his dream to contradiction of God’s teaching (specifically which action in his dream was it) then you tied it to the Satan quickly to exclude all other possibilities. ( I could say if you dream of being rich it shows you converse at night with Satan and worship his works- but that would be a dirty political trick)

Here we go this is a good idea lets smear him with murders, and later will use other undesirable conditions as well, ultimately beating down homosexuals is our only goal

Hay nice job that screaming anal and or oral drew public attention so lets point at the hospital we could call him a nut job, and nice way to slide in lier, he told you his answer we just ignore that

more of the same the kid did not say that you did, so why are you asking him to be responsible for your speech.

I hope the kid does not know the Ten Commandments were written by God BTW SHOULD WE HIDE WHAT CHRIST ACTUAL SAID ON THE SUBJECT??? how about you type that for us

Texas-
What is your problem?
IF you find my posts so offensive then the IGNORE button is there for a reason…may I suggest you use it:thumbsup:

 

[Texas_Roofer]

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I hope you understand the correct meaning of disordered, it means the thought process contains error-- not sin. It is similar to saying there is a misunderstanding, with an added caution to where that particular process leads

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Texas-
What is your problem?
IF you find my posts so offensive then the IGNORE button is there for a reason…may I suggest you use it:thumbsup:

I could ignor you as you ignor questions however my real issue deals with respect of others. I notice you have posted this at least twice " They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."

I ask you again to address the questions concern your posts

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

I could ignor you as you ignor questions however my real issue deals with respect of others. I notice you have posted this at least twice " They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."

I ask you again to address the questions concern your posts

And where does it say that I need to accept the sin? Respect the sin or have compassion for the sin?

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

To say I find these writing offensive and leading is to be kind

These dirty political tactics speak of your morals you know masturbations and celibacy were mentioned as undesirable because they include heterosexuals and reduced the finger pointing at homosexual practices which are being over blown.

**
what are you talking about? **

More political tactics you tied his dream to contradiction of God’s teaching (specifically which action in his dream was it) then you tied it to the Satan quickly to exclude all other possibilities. ( I could say if you dream of being rich it shows you converse at night with Satan and worship his works- but that would be a dirty political trick)
**

No I asked if his dream was in contradiction to God’s teachings. **​

Here we go this is a good idea lets smear him with murders, and later will use other undesirable conditions as well, ultimately beating down homosexuals is our only goal
**Beating down homosexuals is not my goal, is it yours?
No my example of murder was to make a point. God would not tell you to do something that went against his teachings!
**
Hay nice job that screaming anal and or oral drew public attention so lets point at the hospital we could call him a nut job, and nice way to slide in lier, he told you his answer we just ignore that Once again I did not call him a nut-job.
I was pointing out that homosexuality does hurt people even himself. Since he said it does not hurt anybody.

more of the same the kid did not say that you did, so why are you asking him to be responsible for your speech.
Actually he did say the bible was wrong in regards to homosexuality.

I hope the kid does not know the Ten Commandments were written by God BTW SHOULD WE HIDE WHAT CHRIST ACTUAL SAID ON THE SUBJECT??? how about you type that for us

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

more of the same the kid did not say that you did, so why are you asking him to be responsible for your speech.

Actually TEEN did say the bible was wrong about homosexuals.
Teen4Christ;3112139:

No, the men who wrote the bible are wrong.

 

[Newbie2]

I deleted my post, but anyway…

How is it objectively wrong to act out your sexual orientation?

Sexual Orientation itself is the justifying power.

So Pedophiles are justified?

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

no…but… but I don’t know, this whole matter is confusing me.

Sorry but what exactly is confusing you?

Teen,

What is confusing you?

 

[Texas_Roofer]

what are you talking about?

I am referring to the practice of inserting negative comments and phrases, additionally combining this with ignoring questions asked of you to explain past similar actions

No I asked if his dream was in contradiction to God’s teachings.

You interjected Satan and assimilated it to the kid

Beating down homosexuals is not my goal, is it yours?

again assimilation, no reasonable person needs that question. The object is to link me to a negative action

No my example of murder was to make a point.

Yes it is, the point is to smear

God would not tell you to do something that went against his teachings!

You were asked if the people you know are sin free, you ignored that. Maybe the kid sins less than all of us combined?

Once again I did not call him a nut-job.

did you imply it? a pattern of negative conations exist and that comment fits in with it

I was pointing out that homosexuality does hurt people even himself.

What homosexual action placed him in the hospital? Do all homosexual have to go to the hospital as a result of sexual action?

Since he said it does not hurt anybody.

maybe it does not hurt anybody, maybe he could of elaborated if given a productive environment. However if he has to endure the consist reminders of his weak moments he will probably leave the subject unresolved

Actually he did say the bible was wrong in regards to homosexuality.

he said the bible writers were wrong which is a common concept, I will wager you do not follow Leviticus, the church has suspended parts of Leviticus so let him discuss it as others have

Actually TEEN did say the bible was wrong about homosexuals.

again a common notion, There are churches founded on the idea the bible has been misinterpreted on the subject of homosexual issues. He will explore this anyway most likely with others

Can i add a new question? How many teenagers to you raise?(say lived with, paid for, until at least age 20)?

BTW SHOULD WE HIDE WHAT CHRIST ACTUAL SAID ON THE SUBJECT??? ('oh well other churches can do that)

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

You interjected Satan and assimilated it to the kid

Not at all.

again assimilation, no reasonable person needs that question. The object is to link me to a negative action

Yes it is, the point is to smear You were asked if the people you know are sin free, you ignored that.

Oops missed that(actually I didnt it was covered at some point with TEEN). We are ALL SINNERS even you But does that mean we do not strive to stop sinning? As to smearing, nope. It was to point out that God would not tell us to murder someone (go against his teaching).

Maybe the kid sins less than all of us combined?

could be.

did you imply it?

NOPE.
Just told him that homosexual acts do hurt people, himself included and used the hospital stay as an example of how it hurt him.

a pattern of negative conations exist and that comment fits in with it What homosexual action placed him in the hospital? Do all homosexual have to go to the hospital as a result of sexual action?

Dont know if all of them end up in the hospital, do you?

maybe it does not hurt anybody, maybe he could of elaborated if given a productive environment.

so draw him out Roofer, get him to elaborate for ya.

However if he has to endure the consist reminders of his weak moments he will probably leave the subject unresolved

Could be.

he said the bible writers were wrong which is a common concept, I will wager you do not follow Leviticus, the church has suspended parts of Leviticus so let him discuss it as others have again a common notion,

I get the impression that they are wrong in TEENS eyes because they do not allow him to act on something that is disordered. (He is not getting his way, so to speak)

There are churches founded on the idea the bible has been misinterpreted on the subject of homosexual issues

Is the Catholic CHurch one of those?

. He will explore this anyway most likely with others

Explore what?

Can i add a new question? How many teenagers to you raise?(say lived with, paid for, until at least age 20)?

This relates to this topic how?

BTW SHOULD WE HIDE WHAT CHRIST ACTUAL SAID ON THE SUBJECT??? ('oh well other churches can do that)

Nope, is that what you suggest we do? I for one have not hid what the Church teaches. There have been many postings on what the CHurch teaches in regards to homosexuality, sin, hell and heaven along with Chastity

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

So now that we have been sidetracked from the OP, shall we get back to it?
In case you forgot what the OP was here it is,
TEEN:

I’m an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?
I try to live a good christian life for the most part, so am I? I believe i’m not but I would appreciate your take on the matter

 

[wanner47]

So for you to accept what I state, I have to be mentioned in the Bible. But not only that, I must be mentioned as an authority of its translation/interperation.

Yep that sounds completly reasonable.

For me to accept what you state, you have to prove to me that Christ Himself gave you the authority to interpret and/or translate Scripture correctly.

Can you do that?

If not, then why should I listen to you regarding your OPINION about translations and/or what the Bible says? It all boils down to that.

What makes your translation and/or your interpretation of these Biblical passages superior to mine? Or superior to the Church’s?

Why shouldnt you?

Im not even suggesting that homosexuality is condemned or condoned in the Bible, I am suggesting that it is not as clear as has been suggested.

By suggesting it’s “unclear,” then you imply it should be accepted.

Tell me, what did Christ say to do when there was a dispute? Did He tell us to go to the Bible or to go to the Church?

Actually we simply dont know if he was for or against it, the four Gospels seem to be silent on the subject. Maybe he did say something but it wasnt recorded or that record was lost or destroyed.

The thing is that we dont know.

We DO know, and we CAN know. Christ anticipated matters like these; that’s why he set up a Church and gave it teaching authority.

Intentially, no. But then again it may not have been a big issue.

Actually, homosexuality was an issue because it (homosexuality) was practiced in pagan cultures, and a lot of pagan converts to Christianity had to be taught why homosexual acts were immoral. Which is why the Church taught about it in the earliest centuries.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

MORE ON HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE BIBLE (PART 1)

MORE ON HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE BIBLE (PART 2)

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

I wasn’t wearing it at the time(but it is uber-fabulous)

I am sure it was as long as it was not neon pink

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Post # 177

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" I do"–in regards to following the teachings of Christ. etc……
3, I would question him on how can you profess to be a follower of Christ yet go against his teachings ……….

Post 207

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. How in light of Christ’s teaching can you say……… How in light of Christ’s teaching can you say………… when Christ clearly points out that………

Post 210

……….Christ is wrong?.. It is in your own mind that homosexuality is ok, in total disregard to what Christ teaches.

Post 246

[concerning question from post 245 Texas Roofer;3112366] BTW SHOULD WE HIDE WHAT CHRIST ACTUAL SAID ON THE SUBJECT??? ('oh well other churches can do that)]

Nope, ………………………

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

Texas Roofer,

You seem to have a personal issue with me, instead of crowding this thread with your personal agenda may I suggest a PM would be a more appropriate forum. If you have something to say to an individual member that is not of general interest to the board, use the private messaging system.As it is your personal agenda is off topic from the OP…which is I’m an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?
Can we get back to that topic?

As to your last post, I cant make hide or hare of it:shrug:

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Texas Roofer,

You seem to have a personal issue with me, instead of crowding this thread with your personal agenda may I suggest a PM would be a more appropriate forum. If you have something to say to an individual member that is not of general interest to the board, use the private messaging system.As it is your personal agenda is off topic from the OP…which is I’m an active homosexual, am I destined to hell?
Can we get back to that topic?

As to your last post, I cant make hide or hare of it:shrug:

So quote “Christ” on the subject of homosexuality?

 

[Kolbe300]

What aspect of homophobia (as per your definition) personal effected you?
Did you get discriminated against for a job?
Where you physically attacked or verbally attacked because you are a homosexual?
What?

Wifeandmomoftwo,

Hello again! I’m sorry for butting in again but I am trying really hard to understand why you are asking him this question and how you don’t see the answer as obvious. You also asked Teen4Christ if he was attacked because of being gay or because of flaunting gay acts. Would it make a difference?

Every single gay person is affected by “homophobia”. And for kids his age, it’s every single day. Do you think an african american kid is personally affected when someone on the other side of the room is called the “N” word? Or is only the target of that word affected? When I was in school I heard the word “fa…ot” used as an insult (countless times) every single day. Did that affect me (and does it still)? Absolutely.

There are people in this country, including “christians”, who would kill me if they knew I was gay and feel justified to do so. Maybe you haven’t run into the christian website declaring that homosexual acts should be punishable by death. Do you think Teen4Christ and others are affected by the story of Matthew Shepard’s brutal beating and murder?

Do I have to be the one beaten up before I’m personally affected by that kind of hatred?

Maybe Teen4Christ was unlucky enough to see Fred Phelps and his clan protesting at the burial of an American soldier. Protesting by holding up signs declaring God’s hatred of faggots and laughing at the thought of him burning in hell. Maybe Teen4Christ stumbled onto Fred Phelps’ website.

Prejudice and hatred for homosexuals in this country is overwhelming. Most of that prejudice could care less whether you’ve committed the “act” or not. You may not see it like Teen4Christ or myself does, but it’s out there and at times it’s terrifying.

I’m sorry again for stepping in and I hope this sheds some light.

Peace and Love

 

[marty30]

So quote “Christ” on the subject of homosexuality?

The person you are attacking repeativily has responded inaccordance with the Catholic Churches teachings and so far you have given us your opinion which most of it has contradicted the Churches teachings. I will say to you what Christ said to Peter “get behind me Satan! You are an obstacleto me. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.” Texas all any one has tried to do here is help Teen and yet you insist on making us out to be bad guys. You never anwsered my question about the child and the big truck. If your son was standing in the road and a big truck was coming and going to hit him and kill him and you said get out of the way but he said I don’t beleive you the truck will not hurt me would you tell him OK son your opinion is valid and who am I to argue with that? What would you do if that were your kid in the middle of the road. Teen here is the reason why we should follow the churches teachungs, because every one who is against the churches teachings has a diffrent opinion. The churches teachings have been intact for more than 2000 years and have proven right, just read the lives of the Saints and the Church Fathers teachins. Look at all the miracles the church has produced with intersessions of the saints and miracles at Holy places such as Lourdes. These people who are telling you different than what the Church teaches arn’t even sure of them selves and most of them arn’t that happy. Nothing against councelers and physchiatrist but if you ask them how there life is going and they are honest they will probably tell you they are just as unhappy or more unhappy. Jesus is Love, Jesus is merciful, and Jesus is just. There is hope for you and noone here has tried to hurt you or make fun of you we love you as our brother in Christ and want to see you in heaven glorifying God when the time comes. You have been given a heavy cross and no one can minimize that, however Christ gave his life for you. He was betrayed, beaten, mocked, told to carry his own sentence of death and crucified. He could have denounced his teachings many times top the Jews and to Pilute but he chose to die for you and he wants you to picj up your cross and carry all the way to calvery. He promises you eternal salvation and a happy ending that last for ever. You can do it man. Don’t settle for less. You will have such an impact on many others by the deccision you make. If you chose to pick up your cross and carry for the Love of God you will be a light that shines for so many others who share your pain and burden. We all carry crosses, some larger than others and you are not alone. Thats love. God loves you so much that he would give up his only Son so that you would be free. All that he asks of you is to imiatate him.