I'm angry at evangelical religions

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I grew up in an area where there were virtually no Catholics. It wasn’t until I was already in seminary that ONE Catholic church was finally built in my home town, and had I not been asked to be a musician for them previously when they were a mission church, I wouldn’t have even known they existed.

If the Catholic Church is the one true church… where we’re y’all when I grew up? And why, in the three years that I was there, did NO ONE ever ask me about becoming Catholic? Not even the priest that I worked with in planning the music for mass, nor the campus minister assigned there? When I wrestled with religious vocation, my own United Methodist Church not only encouraged me - they supported me financially and spiritually, sending me to one of the most respected seminaries in the U.S. (respected by Catholic and Protestants alike, with professors from both traditions).

Even AFTER that, when I considered “crossing the Tiber” because of my beliefs (and BECAUSE of my good seminary training, study of the Church Fathers and Ecumenical Councils, and thesis on liturgical and sacramental theology), I was told by the two dioceses I approached that they (a) didn’t want the possible “bad press” of my conversion, and (b) didn’t want to have to “jump through all the hoops” for me to convert and petition the See to be ordained. My wife was Catholic, but it all left a bad taste in her mouth, too.

So I’ve made my peace with God, and after much spiriutal discernment, decided that this is where I am supposed to be. And yet, despite my many corrections to others when they make obviously bigoted and misinformed statements about Catholicism, I have already been called a “happy clappy Protestant” by a Catholic on this board.

I’m not an “Evangelical,” but I can assure you that Evangelicalism doesn’t have a monopoly on betrayal of trust, mistruths about the faith, and bigotry. I can forgive that, but where’s the “one true Church?” It’s actions make me think more than twice about it’s commitment to make disciples. The impression is that you’re either born into it or you’re not really welcome.

My tradition may be “separated brethren”, but it’s reached out to me. The One True Church has never made that invitation, despite my being present in it and requesting admission into it.

Separated brethern I may be, but I’m welcome here. And more importantly - I’ve found that Christ is present here, too. I’ve found validation in my ordination, and it’s been confirmed in my teaching, pastoral presence, and priestly function. No doubt some will say my ordination is worthless. To that, I simply say, “bunk.” It took me years to get past saying much more profane and inflammatory words.

I continue to defend Catholicism against bigotry and mistruth. Some days, I wonder why.

Pax vobiscum,

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Mickey:
Transubstantiation was merely a means to define the belief in the real presence. The Roman Catholic Church, being constantly attacked by reformists, needed to define a doctrine that has been in exsistence since the very early Church. But sadly, when the RCC defines something, they open themselves up to further attacks.
Sure, I agree with the belief in the real presense like I said, but transubstantiation is a poor way, and in my thinking an incomplete way, of explaining it. Furthermore the RCC now places Aquinas’ views authoritatively above the other Fathers.
 
This is common to Fundamentalists. It is simply an apriori anti-Catholic tenent of their faith. They are trying to downplay the fact that the Bishop of Rome is the leader of the entire Catholic Church. Those people almost hate the Pope. Yes I said “those people”.
This was in response to someone saying that Jesus’ statement “On this rock I will build my church” meant not Peter, but instead his confession that Jesus was the Christ.

Yes sometimes it appears that people suddenly decided that scriptures don’t really mean what they say, they magically mean something else to make that person feel better, or make sense to that person, or whatever. But at the same time, SOME verses surely can’t be literal can they? Like the one where Jesus told people to cut off their eyes and hands if they offended them? Nowhere did he say it was symbolic or that he was just kidding or anything. But we’re quick to say, “Oh that was just an illustration.”

My question is, how do you balance between knowing when a verse truly isn’t literal, and trying to rearrange what scriptures mean to make yourself happy??

sorry if it’s off topic. :confused:
 
O.S.Luke,

You wrote,"Even AFTER that, when I considered “crossing the Tiber” because of my beliefs (and BECAUSE of my good seminary training, study of the Church Fathers and Ecumenical Councils, and thesis on liturgical and sacramental theology), I was told by the two dioceses I approached that they (a) didn’t want the possible “bad press” of my conversion, and (b) didn’t want to have to “jump through all the hoops” for me to convert and petition the See to be ordained. My wife was Catholic, but it all left a bad taste in her mouth, too.

So you were married when you attempted to be ordaigned a Catholic Priest, is that correct? It sounds like your wife was disappointed that you didn’t become a priest. Is that true?

Where are you now, back in the United Methodist Church? I am a convert from Methodism. No one ever asked me to become Catholic. I walked up to the recory door and knocked. A very tough old Monsenior took me under his wing. Here I am 49 years later… a Roman Catholic…thanks be to God and my Guardian Angel.

I never understood why the Methodists say the Apostolic or Nicene Creed and do not become Catholics. I think it all has to do with Matthew 16:v18-19. Either Jesus WAS talking to Peter or He wasn’t.
 
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Exporter:
Where are you now, back in the United Methodist Church? I am a convert from Methodism. No one ever asked me to become Catholic. I walked up to the recory door and knocked. A very tough old Monsenior took me under his wing. Here I am 49 years later… a Roman Catholic…thanks be to God and my Guardian Angel.

I never understood why the Methodists say the Apostolic or Nicene Creed and do not become Catholics. I think it all has to do with Matthew 16:v18-19. Either Jesus WAS talking to Peter or He wasn’t.
I knocked on the door, Exporter. Read what I said. I wouldn’t be the first Methodist married priest, but some dioceses don’t want to mess with it. Even those who have priest shortage.

Methodists say the Creeds for the same reason many other faiths say them: because they are doctrinally true, and we believe them. Hence the word creed, credo.

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4 Marks wrote:
I love the zeal and the emphasis upon studying the scriptures and growing daily in a relationship with Jesus Christ of evangelicals. Catholics have a lot to learn from them, just as they have a lot to learn from Catholics.
Having been one, I can tell you that Catholics have NOTHING to learn from Evangelicals (I take this to mean ‘Protestants’). Most Evangelicals (Protestants) study the Scriptures not to understand the original meaning the sacred writers intended to convey, but in order to interpret them according to their own or their denomination’s preconceived ideas as to what the words mean. They have learned to proof-text the Bible, and know little else about it. It never occurs to most of them to ask where, when, and how we got it. I myself – if I ever thought of it at all – had some vague, undefined notion that the Bible fell out of heaven, ready made, in the red letter edition.

Catholics have the “relationship” with Jesus Christ that He intended – we know him “in the breaking of the bread” (Lk 24:35, Acts 2:42 et al.). We receive Him in Holy Communion, many of us daily – and He abides in us and we abide in Him (John 6:56). We have Life because of Him (John 6:53). We receive Him both in Word and in Sacrament at every Mass. We are literally united with Christ and He becomes ONE with us. His Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, are assimilated into our bodies, becoming our own body and blood, transforming us. What closer relationship could one possibly have? *Christ feeds us with His own Divine Life – the life of God Himself. *

This Protestant “relationship” that you speak of is purely subjective. How Jesus is perceived depends upon what one believes about Him and what He taught – and there are thousands of conflicting, contrasting, and competing beliefs among Protestants – not Truth – but opinion.

As Dr. Scott Hahn, former Presbyterian minister, biblical scholar, theologian, and convert to Catholicism said: “Protestants study the menu while Catholics enjoy the meal.”

What we need are well-informed Catholics who know the history of the Bible and the Church and who live their faith without compromise. Catechesis suffered after the confusion of Vatican II and is only now beginning to recover. But it’s just a beginning.

To know this Church is to love her – as Christ loved her and gave Himself for her (Ephesians 5:25-27).

I LOVE THIS CHURCH!

JMJ Jay
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, ecstatic to be Catholic!
 
O.S. Luke:
I knocked on the door, Exporter. Read what I said. I wouldn’t be the first Methodist married priest, but some dioceses don’t want to mess with it. Even those who have priest shortage.

Methodists say the Creeds for the same reason many other faiths say them: because they are doctrinally true, and we believe them. Hence the word creed, credo.

O+
It seems from your description of what happened in your case that you didn’t want to become a Catholic except on your own terms.

You insisted that you would not convert unless you could become a married priest, right? That has been allowed only in a very few cases under a special provision created especially for Episcopalian priests, although a few others have been allowed – very, very few.

Anyone can become a Catholic – on the Church’s terms.

JMJ Jay
 
Katholikos said:
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As Dr. Scott Hahn, former Presbyterian minister, biblical scholar, theologian, and convert to Catholicism said: "Protestants study the menu while Catholics enjoy the meal.============================================Hi Katholikos, At least we know what we are eating. 😃 God Bless
 
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