I'm calling on everyone here in this forum EXCEPT Catholics !!!

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But if you become Catholic you will not have to worry about that! šŸ˜‰
How will I forget that it is Jesus’ invitation to the Lord’s Supper and not ours to decide who to be invited and who to be told to please remain in their seats or pray at their kneelers??

God Bless!
 
On that I think it to is a matter of ā€œperspectiveā€. I’ve been a Catholic my entire life…58 years… I do not lack for freedom, or anything. You might be surprised to find out that though there are theological differences between you and I, our moral codes and many beliefs are much the same.šŸ™‚

Peace!
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How will I forget that it is Jesus’ invitation to the Lord’s Supper and not ours to decide who to be invited and who to be told to please remain in their seats or pray at their kneelers??
Actually that will make a good thread topic, but I do not want to derail this one…oops…too late!
God Bless!
Did I sneeze? šŸ˜‰

May God Bless you too!
 
Actually that will make a good thread topic, but I do not want to derail this one…oops…too late!

Did I sneeze? šŸ˜‰

May God Bless you too!
If you Catholics would of stayed out of this thread things would of stayed on track…lol

Peace be with you, tGette!
 
Actually that will make a good thread topic, but I do not want to derail this one…oops…too late!
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Right - that does it.

tGette you can join RobHom on the naughty step.

Off you go …

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If you Catholics would of stayed out of this thread things would of stayed on track…lol

Peace be with you, tGette!
Im beginning to get an insight into the emphasis on oral tradition - some of them seem to have incredible difficulty

READING !!!

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ā€œā€¦to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.ā€

Uhm, I think this would mean alone – i.e., without anything else; nothing besides faith; not with works or anything else added, etc. etc. etc.

The James passage, if you read it in context, is not talking about our justification before GOD, it’s talking about our justification before MEN, which must be demonstrated through works, becasue MEN cannot read into our hearts.

I could say far more about this, as I do in my book on Mormonism, which also tends to put a works spin on salvation (which is actually Godhood for them, so we actually have an even more serious problem there).

R.A.

PS. Perhaps a new thread could be opened on ā€œSalavation: Works vs. Faith.ā€ This thread seems to have gone off-topic so to speak.
 
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Right - that does it.

tGette you can join RobHom on the naughty step.

Off you go …

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She’s on to us Rob!

I am keeping my Catholic mouth shut! :rolleyes:

Good thing I got other threads where I can post off topic! 😃
 
Can orthodox christians participate in this thread ,or are they considered to catholic for the Protestants and not catholic enough for the r c…just curious about it…
 
Can orthodox christians participate in this thread ,or are they considered to catholic for the Protestants and not catholic enough for the r c…just curious about it…
OH! :confused:

Er, ummmmmm,

ok, I havent made that rule up yet so in the absence of any clear guidance, go ahead šŸ‘

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I’m sorry I don’t. If you would like to ask me a question…given your age, I think it would be best to keep it out in the open here on the forums. Not trying to be unkind… I just think it would be best to do it that way.šŸ‘
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Hi Rob2 😃
Christian Knight said on another thread he was thinking about swim the Tiber. On the internet he could be a 56 year old cop or a 90 year old woman! 😃 You actually believe what anyone says on these threads? Oh , I better get out of here before someone checks my baptism certificate and the cyber cops show up! I’ll see you at the Temple Saturday night! WINK!!šŸ˜›

God Bless you

Later
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The following is not to be considered as Catholic bashing or disrespectful to anyone of that faith. The reasons I will not be a catholic are based on several months of personal research and hard study.
  1. The RCC interpretation of the Ten Commandments (the number of them is irrellevant in my opinion.)
    A. The Second Commandment (the second part of the RCC First)
    Code:
             B.  The Fourth Commandment
  2. Their obsessive reliance on Tradition to the point that it out weighs that of scripture even if it teaches contrary to what written scripture teaches.
  3. The RCC’s place in history as it relates to prophecy.
  4. The ā€œvenerationā€ of individuals other than Christ and its magnification of others to the point of making them equals to Christ and in some cases over Christ eventhough this is denied.
Recommened reading.

Daniel and Revelation - (may be out of print, do a google search)
Concise History of the Church - (Catholic Author)
Short History of the Church - (Catholic Author who Attended Vatican II)
Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire
Documents of the Church (Second Edition, 1965)

These will keep you busy for a while.šŸ‘

I also recommend you do your own research before committing to any religious organization. Ask lots of questions and do a lot of praying. And most of all, if and when you encounter any apperations or ā€œspiritsā€, take the apostle’s advice and test them before interacting with them.

In Christ
 
Hi:
A couple of caveats before I begin.

If you feel that God wants you to be a Catholic, who am I to try to talk you out of it. Anyway, to put what I am about to say in context, I prefer Catholicism to several strains of Protestant that are out there. Finally, I don’t know whether I can logically prove Catholicism false. Still, there are some aspects of it that I don’t particularly like and don’t think are necessarily true.

So since you asked.

(1) The belief that Catholicism is ā€œthe one true churchā€ to the exclusion of every other denomination out there can not be proved. Furthermore this belief breeds an arrogance and superiority complex that is not Christlike. Too often the evidence that a certain Catholic distinction is true reduces to ā€œWe are the Catholic church, the one true church, and this is right because we say soā€.

(2) Catholicism holds a number of beliefs that you must believe that are totally unconfirmable outside of the belief that ā€œWe are the one true church and it is impossible for us to be incorrect in teaching in faith and moralsā€. To demonstrate this try to read your Bible and ask yourself whether you could expect anybody to come up with say the assumption of Mary or the immaculate conception of Mary from reading the Bible. Now this would still make sense if I could prove that ā€œwe are the one true church and it is impossible for us to be incorrectā€¦ā€ from the Bible. However I can not to this. So I am left with a belief system that mandates a belief in a number of things that I have no way of confirming their truthfullness.

(3) Catholicism is far too complex. For example research the beliefs that you must hold in order to be Catholic. Then read the Bible and ask yourself what beliefs were absolutely required of the earliest Christians. You will see a big disconnect there.

(4) Under Catholicism an unfortunately timed death can send a true believer who loves the Lord Jesus Christ to hell. See the mortal sin thread that I started a while back for evidence. If I were Catholic I would be absolutely paranoid of being thrown into hell for missing mass or something like that. Caveat: this does not believe that I believe the Protestant ā€œeternal securityā€ doctrine either. But I do believe that our level of security as believers in Jesus Christ is such that normal believers who live normal lives as Christians should have absolutely no worries about an ill-timed death condemning one to hell.
 
  1. The Pope. Already as the Bible was still being written there were people who claimed to be followers of one or the other Apostles, that was itself condemned in the Bible.
(1Co 1:12 NIV) What I mean is this: One of you says, ā€œI follow Paulā€; another, ā€œI follow Apollosā€; another, ā€œI follow Cephas[1]ā€; still another, ā€œI follow Christ.ā€

But people continued with that, and you had the major bishophrics develop even though the biblical example was bishops (elders) in each town.

(Tit 1:5 ESV) This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you–

And the leader in Rome was just that, a bishop or elder. But then it started to develop that it should not just be a bishophric but the ruler of the whole world. And it even came to pass that a series of forgeries were made, the False Decretals, that laid out the doctrine of the Pope. And these False Decretals were followed and the Pope came into being. It came to a head with the Pope then demanding the other Bishops submit to him. When they would not do so, the single bishop ended up splitting from the church and declaring that those who followed him were the one true church. As far as I can tell that was when the word catholic meaning universal really started to be used for the single bishophric in Rome. The one who split thereby claiming to be the church.

Even when the False Decretals were found to be false, their doctrines were not reversed but remain to this day in Rome. Hence the Catholic Tradition that if they believe a lie long enough, it becomes fact to them.

That really bring us to
  1. Rome will intentionally let people believe falsehoods if it seems helpful to it. The False Decretals were already mentioned and are one example you can research. Here’s another.
It would be the authority of the books called Apochrypha by Protestants.

Catholics with tell you they were declared scripture and hence are authoritative by the Council of Trent. That is a lie. Oh the Catholic people don’t know it, they aren’t lying but simply stating what Rome wants them to believe. Thing is, after all these years, there is a good source proving it to be a lie.

That would be the documentation from the Council of Trent. That has been locked up in the Vatican Secret Archives. No one got to see and study them for hundreds of years. Now, a couple of people have gotten to see them.

Perhaps a quick sidetrack to how the Secret Archives now work in general. There are lots and lots of things that document history hidden there. But in order to see them, first, you must be a supporter of Rome, if you are, then you might get to see them, but it will still be a limited time. Secondly, in order to see something, you must know it exists and ask exactly for it. Say there is some letter that a Pope wrote to someone that has an explanation of an event that is a historical question, unless someone knows of it’s existance and specifically asks to see it, it is lost.

Anyway. Jedin a Catholic historian, got to see much of the Council of Trent documentation. And he wrote about some of it in his ā€œA History of the Council of Trentā€. And in it he reveals that the Council of Trent specifically voted concerning the authority of the books called Apocrypha and they voted not to decide their authority. Therefore, their authority remains an open question in Catholicism. This would be complete news to Catholics and most won’t believe you if you tell them.

If you questioned their authority today, and even if you throw out Trent with the truth instead of the widely believed lie, the response at this point would be well since they are accepted as authoritative so widely, they must be since the church as a whole has spoken.

So you get the cycle, create a lie, hide the truth, get people to believe the lie, eventually turn it to who cares about the lie, since ā€œeveryoneā€ believes it, it must be true, the Holy Spirit wouldn’t let us be wrong, and go on with the lie become accepted as fact in Rome.

That should really give you enough homework. I will stop at 2.

Marv
 
Would you be so kind as to give me your 3 biggest reasons as to why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG in it’s teachings and practices.
Coming from the Buddhist perspective, the Catholic Church is not ā€œunequivocally WRONGā€, much that the Church teaches is correct. From the Buddhist perspective, it is not so much that the Church is wrong, it is just that Buddhism is better.

The major differences with Buddhism are:* Buddhism does not have the concept of a soul, all things are soulless.
  • all things, including the gods and heavens, are impermanent.
  • rebirth in the heavens is a lower, temporary goal. The final goal is nirvana.
  • the consequences of our actions are inescapable; there is neither sin nor the forgiveness of sin. Ther are only actions and their consequences.
This is really for my own education and exploration, and trying to get the things I want to research into some sort of ordered fashion.
An excellent goal.

rossum
 
Why my church says I am not catholic?

ā€œBecause you do not believe Jesus is Godā€ my priest said " and there is nothing I can do for you. Go home."
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Why my church says I am not catholic?

ā€œBecause you do not believe Jesus is Godā€ my priest said " and there is nothing I can do for you. Go home."
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Unfortunately, there are always those who will make up their own theology within the Roman church.

I once (in a theology class, no class) was told that there are three unforgivable sins. One is murder, the second is premarital sex, and the third is using a Ouija board.
 
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