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Molly2000z
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What is the origin of this phrase?
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ChristianKnight
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- um, really?
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StMarina303ad
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If this was true that Jesus was only “a god” and not a person of the Holy Trinity/God, than that would mean that He is a False God!
Jesus is a completely separate person than God the Father and God the Holy Spirit; however, Jesus was clear, Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition are also clear that Jesus is God. There is only 1 God in 3 Persons - otherwise how could Scripture claim in the New Testament that God is both Eternal and Love if God wasn’t made up of separate eternal persons there is no way God could be Eternal and Love at the same time because He would have no one to love until He created a creature, but God is Love in and of Himself without us creatures. He didn’t need us to become who He is - He has always been. Also, the Sacred Scripture reads that Jesus, in whom all the fullness of deity dwelt. Jesus constantly said that The Father and I are One.
You and I are completely separate persons - you would agree to this I’m sure. You and I are each a part of the Human Race - you would agree to this also. We are fully united in our humanity (you are not more human than I am nor visa versa) while at the same time we are completely different individuals - our own thoughts, personalities - yet we are both human.
God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit each have different personalities - only Jesus was born into our space and time and became fully human. No doubt that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit were with Him, but they are not Him - they are not fully human too.
The concept of the Holy Trinity may be difficult to understand, but it is the Truth of what has been revealed to us by God. By Jesus when He walking around on Earth and what the Holy Spirit during each of the Councils of the Orthodox Church has revealed to us. I would encourage you to pray about it and to pray for more understanding. God will answer your prayer and you will become as confident as we are that the Truth is that God is Trinity: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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Alix1912
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To echo the above poster…really? Are you and I on the same forum, cause I can name a whole lot a names of people on here who bash protestants and mixed marriages pretty bad.
Seriously I seen protestants of several denominations called “Catholic Light”, the “JV team” (accompanied by feel free to join the big leagues when you finally get with it)
People can be very rude…on this forum and in person. Several Catholic people and the new preist in our parrish have reached upon hearing I was not Catholic by looking at my husband in shock and going “You will be raising any children Catholic”. Not Hi, not nice to meet you, instantly acting like I was going to destroy my kids if I was allowed to raise them.
So yes…there is hostility out there and bashing from all sides, and it’s really sad because it drives us all apart.
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Laurent_LUG
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In fact , for me personally , a kinda of even 11 reasons:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=4187083&highlight=3+catholic#post4187083
Salute & Cheers from a NON BELIEVER:
– Laurent LUG (.@…), october 21, 2008
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Angelpalmoni
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Just a few off the top of my head…
Christ organized the church. Eph. 4:11-14
The church must bear the name of Jesus Christ. Eph. 5:23
The church must have a foundation of Apostles & Prophets. Eph. 2:19-20
The church must have the same organization as Christ’s church. Eph. 4:11-14
The church must claim divine authority. Heb. 5:4-10
The church must have no paid ministry. Isa. 45:13, 1 Peter 5:2
The church must baptize by immersion. Matt 3:13-15
The church must bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. Acts 8:14-17
The church must practice divine healings. Mark 3:14-15
The church must teach Jesus Christ & God are separate and distinct beings. John 17:11 & 20:17
The church must teach God & Jesus Christ have bodies of flesh and bone. Luke 24:36-39, Acts 1:9-11
The officers must be called by God. Heb. 5:4, Exodus 29:1 & 40:13-16
The church must claim revelation from God. Amos 3:7
The church must be a missionary church. Matt. 28:19-20
The church must be a restored church. Acts 3:19-20
The church must practice baptisms for the dead. 1 Cor. 15:15 & 29
By their fruits ye shall know them. Matt. 7:20
Why are these things important? Heb. 13:8
Christ organized the church. Eph. 4:11-14
The church must bear the name of Jesus Christ. Eph. 5:23
The church must have a foundation of Apostles & Prophets. Eph. 2:19-20
The church must have the same organization as Christ’s church. Eph. 4:11-14
The church must claim divine authority. Heb. 5:4-10
The church must have no paid ministry. Isa. 45:13, 1 Peter 5:2
The church must baptize by immersion. Matt 3:13-15
The church must bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. Acts 8:14-17
The church must practice divine healings. Mark 3:14-15
The church must teach Jesus Christ & God are separate and distinct beings. John 17:11 & 20:17
The church must teach God & Jesus Christ have bodies of flesh and bone. Luke 24:36-39, Acts 1:9-11
The officers must be called by God. Heb. 5:4, Exodus 29:1 & 40:13-16
The church must claim revelation from God. Amos 3:7
The church must be a missionary church. Matt. 28:19-20
The church must be a restored church. Acts 3:19-20
The church must practice baptisms for the dead. 1 Cor. 15:15 & 29
By their fruits ye shall know them. Matt. 7:20
Why are these things important? Heb. 13:8
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emeraldcoast
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Hi Angel,
Have you found a church that meets all these scripture verses?
God Bless!
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Ag_not
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I just want to say an interim thankyou to all who have contributed - I’ve picked up so much information and Ive had such clear direction as to where to look for key issues - thankyou again 
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R_McGeddon
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I can give you 1 Catholic teaching that is unequivocally wrong. The teaching that masturbation is a sin.
Here’s why:
Women are able to achieve an orgasm, this is not required to become pregnant so why do women have this ability? Without going into too much biological detail, the area of a woman requiring stimulation, exists for no purpose other than to give women orgasms. An even more pertinent fact, the usual method of sexual intercourse is not very conducive for female orgasm either. That, more often than not, requires extra external stimulation. The very thing that the church incorrectly teaches against.
I look forward to an interesting debate.
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Richard_Abanes
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R Mcgeddon,
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adstrinity
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Again, Ag_not, aplogies.
The female orgasm serves a very real purpose, it makes it easier for a woman to become pregnant; the reason for the muscles contracting helps the sperm get to the eggs. And, what area? There are two places I can think of offhand.
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R_McGeddon
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There’s nothing shocking in my post, I was very careful not to use any explicit terminology or language in my description, and most importantly it is all factual.R Mcgeddon,
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R_McGeddon
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Considering the fact that the majority of women do not orgasm during intercourse, directly contradicts this claim. This is evidenced by the size of the world’s population.
You know exactly what area, and if you don’t you shouldn’t be posting on this particular subject.
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Richard_Abanes
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This has GOT to be the very first time, in all the millions of threads I’ve posted on, where it’s gone from
“why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG”
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“the majority of women do not orgasm during intercourse.”
It’s a first for me…
R.A. :blushing:
“why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG”
to
“the majority of women do not orgasm during intercourse.”
It’s a first for me…
R.A. :blushing:
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adstrinity
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HOW would you know that the majority of women do not orgasm during intercourse? Are you basing this on your experiences?
One would think that masturbation being a sin would be evidenced by the size of the world’s population. IF women are masturbating, then, they may be forgoing sex. Not having sex is evidenced by the world’s population. …I take it because we are underpopulated you said this.
No, I don’t. Are you talking the G-Spot or the clitoris? Either one, there are ways to get to both DURING copulation. Despite this, keep in mind that touching both is perfectly permissible for a married couple during foreplay.
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Hajnalcsillag
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Pixie_Dust
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Jumping in as a Catholic (sorry!) simply to point out that most of the objections I’ve read on this thread have more to do with what people think the Catholic Church teaches than what the Church actually teaches. I recently became Catholic and I had many of those same objections, some based on what I misunderstood or had been mis-taught, and some based simply on the fact that the teaching was so different than what I “knew” as an Independent, Fundamental, Pre-millenial, KJV Only Baptist, that I rejected it without first seeking to understand what it was I was rejecting.
For several posters though, all of their objections come down to one main objection (whether they realize it or not), which is Authority. Either Christ gave His Church His Authority, or He did not.
For several posters though, all of their objections come down to one main objection (whether they realize it or not), which is Authority. Either Christ gave His Church His Authority, or He did not.
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Richard_Abanes
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Pixie: Either Christ gave His Church His Authority, or He did not.
RA: "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. (1 Peter 2:9).
This sounds like he gave his authority to his “royal priesthood” – i.e., anyone who calls on his name and is who is truly one of his disciples. If so, that would explain very well such passages as
Luke 9:1 “he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases”
Luke 10:19: “I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy”
In other words, the “church” (Gr., ekklesia, “called out ones”) are all true Christians. And resident within them, as members of the new royal priesthood (as opposed to the Old Testament) priesthood, we have the “authority” of Christ who dwells in us.
Hence, the “Church” that has authority is not some building, or some group, or some organization run by a hierarchy (and a hierarchy with, let’s be honest, a very dark and dubious history).
WE are the church. WE have the authority of Christ. WE are the priesthood.
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RA: "But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. (1 Peter 2:9).
This sounds like he gave his authority to his “royal priesthood” – i.e., anyone who calls on his name and is who is truly one of his disciples. If so, that would explain very well such passages as
Luke 9:1 “he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases”
Luke 10:19: “I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy”
In other words, the “church” (Gr., ekklesia, “called out ones”) are all true Christians. And resident within them, as members of the new royal priesthood (as opposed to the Old Testament) priesthood, we have the “authority” of Christ who dwells in us.
Hence, the “Church” that has authority is not some building, or some group, or some organization run by a hierarchy (and a hierarchy with, let’s be honest, a very dark and dubious history).
WE are the church. WE have the authority of Christ. WE are the priesthood.
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Pixie_Dust
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Amen, love that passage! The Catholic Church does not deny the priesthood of the believer.
To whom did Jesus give that authority? To everyone, or His chosen Apostles?
Then why don’t WE all agree on what the Bible says? Is the Holy Spirit schizophrenic?
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Richard_Abanes
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Hey Pixie,
“Then why don’t WE all agree on what the Bible says? Is the Holy Spirit schizophrenic?”***
Because WE are sinful, finite, imperfect, often blinded by ________ [fill in blank], short-sighted, and not yet perfected. No Christian church body – RC, Baptist, Methodist, etc. etc. etc. – is perfect because no one here is perfect.
And even in RC, when it comes to biblical interpretation and dogma/doctrine, we’ve seen changes after changes (in many instances, with no small amount of suffering being dispensed to the faithful as a result).
So, we, as those having authority and commissioned by God as believers – the royal priesthood – do our best to serve, love, honor, and worship our God.
Jesus did not say his church – i.e., all believers, or all the *ekklesia *(“called out ones”) – would be perfect. But he said that in the end we would prevail. The gates of hell will not prevail against us – i.e., his church.
R.A.
“Then why don’t WE all agree on what the Bible says? Is the Holy Spirit schizophrenic?”***
Because WE are sinful, finite, imperfect, often blinded by ________ [fill in blank], short-sighted, and not yet perfected. No Christian church body – RC, Baptist, Methodist, etc. etc. etc. – is perfect because no one here is perfect.
And even in RC, when it comes to biblical interpretation and dogma/doctrine, we’ve seen changes after changes (in many instances, with no small amount of suffering being dispensed to the faithful as a result).
So, we, as those having authority and commissioned by God as believers – the royal priesthood – do our best to serve, love, honor, and worship our God.
Jesus did not say his church – i.e., all believers, or all the *ekklesia *(“called out ones”) – would be perfect. But he said that in the end we would prevail. The gates of hell will not prevail against us – i.e., his church.
R.A.
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