I'm calling on everyone here in this forum EXCEPT Catholics !!!

[Ag_not]

Would you be so kind as to give me your 3 biggest reasons as to why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG in it’s teachings and practices.

My reason for asking this is because I will then research each of the reasons you give, and personally satisfy myself as to their validity, or not, for myself, as part of my journey into faith.

I hope this question does not break any forum rules; Im not looking to give a platform for anti catholic rhetoric and respect the fact this is a catholic board. I merely want to try and get into one place, i.e. here, what the main arguements are against Catholicism, and then investigate them for myself. I thought it would be the most expedient way to do this. If Im wrong, I apologise to the admins, and please delete this post as you see fit.

This is really for my own education and exploration, and trying to get the things I want to research into some sort of ordered fashion.

Bruxilda.

 

[nebula]

Would you be so kind as to give me your 3 biggest reasons as to why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG in it’s teachings and practices.

My reason for asking this is because I will then research each of the reasons you give, and personally satisfy myself as to their validity, or not, for myself, as part of my journey into faith.

I hope this question does not break any forum rules; Im not looking to give a platform for anti catholic rhetoric and respect the fact this is a catholic board. I merely want to try and get into one place, i.e. here, what the main arguements are against Catholicism, and then investigate them for myself. I thought it would be the most expedient way to do this. If Im wrong, I apologise to the admins, and please delete this post as you see fit.

This is really for my own education and exploration, and trying to get the things I want to research into some sort of ordered fashion.

Bruxilda.

I don’t have a denomination from which to give you my views. The only thing I have currently is monotheism and there are many obstacles in my mind to embracing Catholicism from uncertainty about the Hebrew Bible, to Christ, to the authority claimed by the RCC. I can see how the whole thing could potentially work together and make sense though.

 

[Hajnalcsillag]

Would you be so kind as to give me your 3 biggest reasons as to why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG in it’s teachings and practices.

My reason for asking this is because I will then research each of the reasons you give, and personally satisfy myself as to their validity, or not, for myself, as part of my journey into faith.

I hope this question does not break any forum rules; Im not looking to give a platform for anti catholic rhetoric and respect the fact this is a catholic board. I merely want to try and get into one place, i.e. here, what the main arguements are against Catholicism, and then investigate them for myself. I thought it would be the most expedient way to do this. If Im wrong, I apologise to the admins, and please delete this post as you see fit.

This is really for my own education and exploration, and trying to get the things I want to research into some sort of ordered fashion.

Bruxilda.

I’ll get into this later tonight, but I do have a question.

Are you referring specifically to issues with doctrines, issues with interpretations, or “miscellaneous”?

 

[JonNC]

Would you be so kind as to give me your 3 biggest reasons as to why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG in it’s teachings and practices.

My reason for asking this is because I will then research each of the reasons you give, and personally satisfy myself as to their validity, or not, for myself, as part of my journey into faith.

I hope this question does not break any forum rules; Im not looking to give a platform for anti catholic rhetoric and respect the fact this is a catholic board. I merely want to try and get into one place, i.e. here, what the main arguements are against Catholicism, and then investigate them for myself. I thought it would be the most expedient way to do this. If Im wrong, I apologise to the admins, and please delete this post as you see fit.

This is really for my own education and exploration, and trying to get the things I want to research into some sort of ordered fashion.

Bruxilda.

Speaking for myself as a Lutheran, I have only 2 disagreements:

1. My major complaint is the binding the consciences of Christians to believe the Marion Doctrines, not necessarily the doctrines themselves, which incidently I generally believe. Scripture is not explicit on these things. And afterall, scripture is clear what we must do to be saved, and believing Mary was ever-virgin is not one of them.
   OTOH, believing them should also not be a point of condemnation.
2. Intercession: While it is clear that the Church Triumphant prays for us, the Church Militant, in a general way, it is unclear whether or not they hear, or even need, our prayers.

Jon

 

[Reformed]

Would you be so kind as to give me your 3 biggest reasons as to why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG in it’s teachings and practices.

My reason for asking this is because I will then research each of the reasons you give, and personally satisfy myself as to their validity, or not, for myself, as part of my journey into faith.

I hope this question does not break any forum rules; Im not looking to give a platform for anti catholic rhetoric and respect the fact this is a catholic board. I merely want to try and get into one place, i.e. here, what the main arguements are against Catholicism, and then investigate them for myself. I thought it would be the most expedient way to do this. If Im wrong, I apologise to the admins, and please delete this post as you see fit.

This is really for my own education and exploration, and trying to get the things I want to research into some sort of ordered fashion.

Bruxilda.

The gospel of God’s grace revealed in the Scripture alone is a different gospel than what is official taught by Catholic authority. This is the reason for the Protestant Reformation. We have two mutually exclusive gospels. We both cannot be right. The place to find the biblical gospel and the biblical Jesus is through prayer and diligently studying the Scriptures for yourself. I don’t think you will find the truth by spending time on Protestant or Catholic forum sites. It is only by the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures you will be able to know the truth.

John 3

You Must Be Born Again
3:1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus [1] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again [2] he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [3] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You [4] must be born again.’ 8 The wind [5] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you [6] do not receive our testimony. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man. [7] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. [8]

For God So Loved the World
16 “For God so loved the world, [9] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

John the Baptist Exalts Christ
22 After this Jesus and his disciples went into the Judean countryside, and he remained there with them and was baptizing. 23 John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because water was plentiful there, and people were coming and being baptized 24 (for John had not yet been put in prison).

25 Now a discussion arose between some of John’s disciples and a Jew over purification. 26 And they came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, he who was with you across the Jordan, to whom you bore witness—look, he is baptizing, and all are going to him.” 27 John answered, “A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven. 28 You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but I have been sent before him.’ 29 The one who has the bride is the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is now complete. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.” [10]

31 He who comes from above is above all. He who is of the earth belongs to the earth and speaks in an earthly way. He who comes from heaven is above all. 32 He bears witness to what he has seen and heard, yet no one receives his testimony. 33 Whoever receives his testimony sets his seal to this, that God is true. 34 For he whom God has sent utters the words of God, for he gives the Spirit without measure. 35 The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

 

[Yeshualuver]

The basic doctrine of Salvation for starters.

RCC=Roman Catholic Church
CCC= Catechism of the Catholic Church with number reference

1. RCC: Justification is a transformation of the soul in which original sin is removed and sanctifying grace infused (CCC 1987-1995)
   BIBLE: Justification is an act of God in which He dclares a sinner to be righteous in His sight, having forgiven his sins and imputed to the sinner God’s own righteousness. (Romans 3:21-4:8)
2. RCC: Initial justification is by means of baptism (CCC 1262-1274)
   BIBLE: Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28)
3. RCC: Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works (CCC 1247-1249)
   BIBLE:God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the *result * of salvation, not the means to or cause of it (Ephesians 2:8-10)
4. RCC: The justified are in themselves beautiful and holy in God’s sight (CCC 1992, 1999-2000, 2024)
   BIBLE: The justified are *in Christ *holy and blameless before God. (Ephesians 1:1-14)
5. RCC:Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works (CCC 1212, 1392, 2010)
   BIBLE: Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteouness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10)
6. RCC: Justification is lost through mortal sin (CCC 1033, 1855, 1874)
   BIBLE: Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies WILL be saved from the wrath of God. (Romans 5: 8,9)
7. RCC: Catholics guilty of mortal sin are justified again through the sacrament of penance (CCC 980, 1446)
   BIBLE: There is NO second justification. Those whom God justifies, He also glorifies (Romans 8:30)
8. RCC: Salvation from eternal consequences of sin is a lifelong process (CCC 161-162, 1254-1255)
   BIBLE: Salvation from the eternal consequences of sin is an instantaneous and secure act of God coinciding with justification (Romans 5:9)
9. RCC: Salvation is attained *by cooperating with *grace through faith, good works and participation in the sacraments (CCC 183, 1129, 1815, 2002)
   BIBLE: Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesian 2:10)
10. RCC: Faith is belief in God and the firm acceptance of all that the Church proposes for belief (CCC 181-182, 1814)
    BIBLE: Saving faith is the entrusting of oneself to Christ as Lord and Savior (Romans 10:8-17)

That should be enough to keep you busy for awhile. Have fun!

 

[Richard_Abanes]

Hmmmmm…top three?

1. Salvation (i.e., how salvation is acquired).
2. The RC hierarchy and associated dogmas (including confession).
3. Excessive Marion Devotion

As a 4th issue, I’d note how, in certain countries, the RC allows rites, rituals, beliefs, practices, and traditions that are basically occult/pagan/magickal to be blended into the faith by Roman Catholics who continue to be viewed as members in good standing. This has resulted, around some parts of the world, in a clear synthesis between Christianity and full blown occult/black magick/paganism. This toleration, at least to me, is unacceptable.

 

[Ag_not]

As a 4th issue, I’d note how, in certain countries, the RC allows rites, rituals, beliefs, practices, and traditions that are basically occult/pagan/magickal to be blended into the faith by Roman Catholics who continue to be viewed as members in good standing. This has resulted, around some parts of the world, in a clear synthesis between Christianity and full blown occult/black magick/paganism. This toleration, at least to me, is unacceptable.

Thanks Richard - can you specify these rituals/occultism that is sanctioned by the church and the countries concerned so I can research them.

 

[Richard_Abanes]

Thanks Richard - can you specify these rituals/occultism that is sanctioned by the church and the countries concerned so I can research them.

That’s take a few days or so. I’m working on a book project now, so between snacks, coffee, and breaks, I’ll try to hunt some down. Fo yourself, you might want to start taking a look at practices in South America and Africa. Maybe do a google search on those countries + Roman Catholic and words like witchcraft or occult. Also, I believe there was even some news articles back a while that talked about how a lot of Italian RC’s also believe in and practice certain facets of old folk magick/witchcraft.

peace,

RA

 

[Ag_not]

Thanks Richard - can you specify these rituals/occultism that is sanctioned by the church and the countries concerned so I can research them.

That’s take a few days or so. I’m working on a book project now, so between snacks, coffee, and breaks, I’ll try to hunt some down. Fo yourself, you might want to start taking a look at practices in South America and Africa. Maybe do a google search on those countries + Roman Catholic and words like witchcraft or occult. Also, I believe there was even some news articles back a while that talked about how a lot of Italian RC’s also believe in and practice certain facets of old folk magick/witchcraft.

peace,

RA

I’m on it

 

[Ag_not]

I’ll get into this later tonight, but I do have a question.

Are you referring specifically to issues with doctrines, issues with interpretations, or “miscellaneous”?

All and any of the above - I’m really keen to hear why, as a non catholic, you are convinced that the Catholic Church is plain wrong in you opinion.

 

[Richard_Abanes]

AG: I’m really keen to hear why, as a non catholic, you are convinced that the Catholic Church is plain wrong in you opinion.

RA: I also want to stress, at the same time, that as for my views, as I noted, which clearly show I very much disagree with various aspects of RC, I do not want to come off as painting the RC as the Devil’s Church incarnate. So, there you go. A great book you might want to pick up is Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences by Norman L. Geisler and Ralph E. MacKenzie.

RA

 

[RobGentner]

**Hi Reformed! :tiphat:Can I play? **

The gospel of God’s grace revealed in the Scripture alone is a different gospel than what is official taught by Catholic authority.

**Because, There isn’t any “Gospel of God’s Grace” Oh, :doh2: you made that up! Protestant right?

God the Holy Spirit, doesn’t bring sinners to saving faith under the preaching of any false gospel. Any message that claims to be from the real bible but which does not reveal Christ **as the only grounds of salvation is a false teaching. Any message that claims to be a Gospel but which does not expose the sins that deceives us all by nature, the sin of seeking to establish a righteousness of our own before God, is false… In order to bring sinners to true saving faith, the message must reveal Christ as the one who entitles sinners to salvation, by the work of the Holy Spirit, before they take the first step. This is the message which the Holy Spirit uses to save God’s elect. This is the message of grace that reveals Christ to us and exposes the sin of which we all must repent (cf. John 3:18-21).

This is the reason for the Protestant Reformation. We have two mutually exclusive gospels.

** The reason for the Protestant reformation was to make your own Gospel of God’s graces? Hmmm. OK~ I never heard that but if you Protestants accept that who would I be to disagee? **

We both cannot be right.

**That is correct! YOU are wrong!
“For the Scripture is not like other books, dictated by the Holy Ghost, it contains things of deepest importance, which in many instances are very difficult and obscure. To understand and explain such things there is always required the coming of the same Holy Ghost.” **(The Great encyclical Letters of Leo XII, p. 227).

“We must, therefore, conclude that the Scriptures alone cannot be a sufficient guide and rule of faith…because they are not of themselves clear and intelligible even in matters of the highest importance…” (The Faith of Our Fathers, p. 73).

The place to find the biblical gospel and the biblical Jesus is through prayer and diligently studying the Scriptures for yourself.

Yea right, By yourself! Hahaha. God tells you to do that, or might that be the Devil? Is it possible to misunderstand the Bible? Yes, even the Bible itself says so. ‘In these epistles there are certain things difficult to understand, which the unlearned and the unstable distort, just as they do the rest of the Scriptures also, to their own destruction’ (2nd Peter 3:16)." Can I get an AMEN?

How can you get the true meaning of the Bible? You can get it only from God’s official interpreter, the Catholic Church. That is the only answer, the one that Satan hate to be told! Heretics deny this. Think the Catholic Church has been studing the Bible and its meaning for 2,000 years. I repeat 2,000 years. Every word has been prayed over, dissected and debated. Then some crackpots~{ I mean that in the kindest way possible. I really couldn’t think of a more descriptive word withoput being rude} Anyway they read a bible, talk to someone else that read the bible, or a different version, then has the arrogant and mistaken belief that they can correct the Church of God and 2,000 years of study and revealation by the Holy Spirit. Get Real! :whacky:

I don’t think you will find the truth by spending time on Protestant or Catholic forum sites.

**I agree. I now give you a big AMEN!! **

It is only by the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures you will be able to know the truth.You were so close! except: through the teachings of the RCC!

John 3

You Must Be Born Again

** Hmmm, Do you think we disagree with that?

I deleated the rest of your posting because all you did was pull stuff from the Bible. **Thanks anyway!
I really expected you could provide some insight into your thought process. Anyway thanks for your personal opinions.

In just the past century the RCC has been called on to reject as erroneous manyl views as irreconcilable with Catholic belief. Two of these are noted here:

The view of Anton Guenther (1783-1863). This writer denied that Revelation could include mysteries strictly so-called, inasmuch as the human intellect is capable of penetrating to the full all revealed truth. He taught, further, that the meaning to be attached to revealed doctrines is undergoing constant change as human knowledge grows and man’s mind develops; so that the dogmatic formulæ which are now true will gradually cease to be so. His writings were put on the Index in 1857, and his erroneous propositions definitively condemned in the decrees of the Vatican Council.

The Modernist view (Loisy, Tyrrell). According to this there is no such thing as Revelation in the sense of a direct communication from God to man. The human soul reaching up towards the unknowable God is ever endeavouring to interpret its sentiments in intellectual formulæ . The formulæ it thus frames are our ecclesiastical dogmas. These can but symbolize the Unknowable; they can give us no real knowledge regarding it. Such an error is manifestly subversive of all belief, and was explicitly condemned by the Decree “Lamentabili” and the Encyclical “Pascendi” (8 Sept., 1907). .

If ever submitted for review, by any church, I feel certain unique Gospel of God’s Grace would be rejected.

I have to hand it to you, your writings sure woke me up! WoW! The insight and deep thoughts! :whacky:

Well anyway, remember above all things you are loved. I will pray to our Blessed Mother for You.

God Bless!
.

 

[emeraldcoast]

Hi Ag_Not,

Here are a couple of reasons why I will not become a Catholic.

1. Like others have stated, most of the teaching regarding Mary that the CC teaches and requires members to believe.
2. The teaching of the CC regarding birth control not being an option in marriage.
3. The Church not allowing the use of condoms for protection against HIV/AIDS even within a marriage when one spouse has HIV/AIDS. Bishop Kevin Dowling, God bless this man! This man truly understands what it means to be Prolife!
   npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5032190
   aidsportal.org/News_Details.aspx?ID=8277

God Bless!
Ephesians 5:10 says, "Figure out what will please Christ, and then do it. "

 

[Pwrlftr]

Would you be so kind as to give me your 3 biggest reasons as to why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG in it’s teachings and practices.

My reason for asking this is because I will then research each of the reasons you give, and personally satisfy myself as to their validity, or not, for myself, as part of my journey into faith.

I hope this question does not break any forum rules; Im not looking to give a platform for anti catholic rhetoric and respect the fact this is a catholic board. I merely want to try and get into one place, i.e. here, what the main arguements are against Catholicism, and then investigate them for myself. I thought it would be the most expedient way to do this. If Im wrong, I apologise to the admins, and please delete this post as you see fit.

This is really for my own education and exploration, and trying to get the things I want to research into some sort of ordered fashion.

Bruxilda.

Hi Ag,

My three reaons are:
a.) Christ alone
b.) Faith alone
c.) Scripture alone

My suggestion to you would be to do all you can to learn both the catholic and non-catholic side to the story.

The catholic church has many gifted apologists such as Fr. Pacwa, Gary Michuta, Robert Sungenis, and others who regularly or at least sometimes engage in formal debates with leading protestant apologists.

If I were you I would take a listen to these debates and study them. I think you will find that many professional catholic apologists are using arguments that are very different than what you find here at catholic.com.

If you want to know more, send me a PM.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Would you be so kind as to give me your 3 biggest reasons as to why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG in it’s teachings and practices.

My reason for asking this is because I will then research each of the reasons you give, and personally satisfy myself as to their validity, or not, for myself, as part of my journey into faith.

I hope this question does not break any forum rules; Im not looking to give a platform for anti catholic rhetoric and respect the fact this is a catholic board. I merely want to try and get into one place, i.e. here, what the main arguements are against Catholicism, and then investigate them for myself. I thought it would be the most expedient way to do this. If Im wrong, I apologise to the admins, and please delete this post as you see fit.

This is really for my own education and exploration, and trying to get the things I want to research into some sort of ordered fashion.

Bruxilda.

Let me get this straight, you were an agnostic until very recently and are considering a conversion to the Catholic church and you want me to talk you out of it?
An agnostic.
Considering a conversion to Christianity.
And you want me to talk you out of it?
No way. Pass.

 

[Ag_not]

Let me get this straight, you were an agnostic until very recently

Correct

and are considering a conversion to the Catholic church

Mmmmmmmm maybe

and you want me to talk you out of it?

Nope.

An agnostic.

thanks to a very bizzare series of events involving the Blessed Virgin Mary, I am no longer an angnostic.

Considering a conversion to Christianity.

Correct

And you want me to talk you out of it?

well, no, I asked for what non catholics objections to the catholic church were so I can look at them in greater depth for my own education. I see it as part of my journey into the christian faith.

No way. Pass.

Thanks for your contribution anyhow. Greatly appreciated

 

[shushawnna]

1. The trinity doctrine–the bible clearly states that God and Jesus are seperate not the same. They are father and son.

2.Hellfire doctrine- God is love, there is no fiery place of torment. Hell is simply the grave.

3.Bible-Everyone should read the bible for themselves.not just the clergy.

 

[RobGentner]

AG: I’m really keen to hear why, as a non catholic, you are convinced that the Catholic Church is plain wrong in you opinion.
**
Hi Richard, Can I give my two cents? :twocents: I believe it is because if he conceeds that one thing is correct His house of cards would fall down. He was told certain things. Like we Worship Mary. That is his reality. When I was in the Army I had a small statue of the Blessed Mother on my desk. Sometimes, I would look at it and be reminded to say some prayers. Most times I diodn’t even notice it. One day another soldier got up the neqarve to tell me he was offended that I would be worshiping an Idal. I had no idea what he was talking about I asked him to explain. He pointedf to the statue and said that idol. I said it is a plastic statue. He said yu worship it. I picked it up broke it in half and threw it in a trash can. He was shocvked.I told him, :it was onlt a visual reminder to pray. It offended him so I threw it away. he was amazed that I broke and threw the statue away. (It had not been blessed! ) We later became very close friends

Many things that Protestants say and believe are 100% on point! I mean after all, we, all came from the same faith, have more in common that not. There is the Big Five! That Protestants can’t accept and Catholic’s can not releaseand remain Catholic Every once in a while you gat a bible thumping solo scriptura fanatic that drives the wedge deeper. I actually have many Protestant friends we agree to disagree. I was protesting for two hours outside Plann Parenthood with three Protestant friends for two hours last night. We may go again tonight! (40 days protes, 24/7)

When we talk religion we discuss, we never argue They have their beliefs and lucky for me, I have the “True” faith! We even laugh at some of the TV Protestants. Those people, on their own would drive me towards the Catholic Faith, just so that people wouldn’t identify me with them.:extrahappy:

We tell Catholic/Protestant jokes. The only ones I “object” to are against the Priest! 1% do something evil and the entire Church had to suffer for their sins! I pray for the priests that must endure the shame of another person!

RA: I also want to stress, at the same time, that as for my views, as I noted, which clearly show I very much disagree with various aspects of RC, I do not want to come off as painting the RC as the Devil’s Church incarnate. So, there you go. A great book you might want to pick up is Roman Catholics and Evangelicals: Agreements and Differences** by Norman L. Geisler and Ralph E. MacKenzie.

**"From my postings you willalso see that I very much disagree with various aspects of the 33,000 different christian denominations and various branches that bring the total to around 60,000.

I applaud you for trying to correct injustices. I also will read that book!

(Edited out Joke)

God Bless you my Brother!

**

 

[Richard_Abanes]

Hello Shush!

Can I make a few comments?
**

1. The trinity doctrine–the bible clearly states that God and Jesus are seperate not the same. They are father and son.**

The Trinity doctrine does NOT deny the Father and the Son distinction. You seem to not understand the Trinity. I would hope that you’d understand it before rejecting it. Please, perhaps, see my **“Today: 3:04 pm post” **on this thread.

2.Hellfire doctrine- God is love, there is no fiery place of torment. Hell is simply the grave.

Then, I am assuming you reject the Bible as God’s Word, which of course, is your right, as long as you do not allege that the Bible does not teach a place known as hell, according to the RC and Protestant understanding of it as a place of eternal separation from God our Creator.

**
3.Bible-Everyone should read the bible for themselves.not just the clergy.**

Very true. But even as an evangelical, might I defend RCs at this point and mention that I am unaware of any RC teaching that says RCs should not read the Bible. Although, certainly, there is the issue of “tradition” associated with biblical interpretation.

R. Abanes