I'm calling on everyone here in this forum EXCEPT Catholics !!!

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  1. RCC: Initial justification is by means of baptism (CCC 1262-1274)
    BIBLE: Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28)
I am sorry for crashing this thread, Ag_not, but, should somebody be reading this but not research it, Romans 3:28 does not say justification is by faith alone. As a general rule, whenever anybody claims, “faith alone,” there is no Biblical basis to this doctrine of man. If anybody every proclaims, “faith alone,” it should be proceeded by, “not by,” and cited in James.

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I am sorry for crashing this thread, Ag_not, but, should somebody be reading this but not research it, Romans 3:28 does not say justification is by faith alone. As a general rule, whenever anybody claims, “faith alone,” there is no Biblical basis to this doctrine of man. If anybody every proclaims, “faith alone,” it should be proceeded by, “not by,” and cited in James.

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😛 It’s in my radar 😛

My Bible here says : For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.

There is no word ‘‘alone’’ in it. 👍

My instinct, without having got so far to look at it specifically yet, is that the works referred to here are the works of the OLD law, before Christ came, and gave us new laws in the NT. But there must surely be works of faith, not works of law, which can be evidenced - by their fruits you will know them seems to tie up with this. Faith will produce works - it must.
 
Actually, Ive now looked up my own Bible and about 10 online translations and NONE of them say ‘‘faith alone’’. What translation does this come from?
 
Would you be so kind as to give me your 3 biggest reasons as to why, according to your denomination and faith, the Catholic Church is unequivocably WRONG in it’s teachings and practices.

My reason for asking this is because I will then research each of the reasons you give, and personally satisfy myself as to their validity, or not, for myself, as part of my journey into faith.

I hope this question does not break any forum rules; Im not looking to give a platform for anti catholic rhetoric and respect the fact this is a catholic board. I merely want to try and get into one place, i.e. here, what the main arguements are against Catholicism, and then investigate them for myself. I thought it would be the most expedient way to do this. If Im wrong, I apologise to the admins, and please delete this post as you see fit.

This is really for my own education and exploration, and trying to get the things I want to research into some sort of ordered fashion.

Bruxilda.
The Marian Dogmas, The three authorities of the RCC and them all being equal, Unbiblical doctrines and practices.
 
I am not Catholic for some reasons. Here:
  1. A major part of this forum is devoted to bashing non-catholics, thats a very christian thing to do.
  2. I have never been to 1 mass, and am not allowed to do to a Catholic Church.
  3. I like to believe what I believe, and do what I do under those beliefs without anyone telling me except Trinity.
 
I had to do it! I know, I am breaking the rules of this thread.

I am a Catholic Christian posting on this thread! (Actually you never forbid Catholics, you just did not call them. Well…I got jealous! hehe)

I just had to! It felt so daring!!! 😉

You almost had to expect it. Telling people to not do something will cause to want to!

Here is a pre-apology.
I apologize!

OK…I am bored! Can’t you tell?

And to at least be on thread topic, here are my three reasons for not being Catholic:
1.
2.
3.

Did you notice they were blank? 😉
(That’s right, I use emoticons…I always thought it was kind of lame, but you know what I am kinda lame, so I now use them! Deal with it! 😛 )
 
😛 It’s in my radar 😛
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My Bible here says : For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.
There is no word ‘‘alone’’ in it. 👍
If someone has a bible with the words “faith alone” together, then the bible is corrupt and adulterated, in error and uninspired.

Interestingly enough…I got curious and did a search on the words “faith alone” in the Douay-Rheims on-line Catholic Bible and here is the link to the search results:
drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?t=0&q=faith+alone&b=drb

Here is the search result statement: All 2 words: faith alone were not found in a verse.
My instinct, without having got so far to look at it specifically yet, is that the works referred to here are the works of the OLD law, before Christ came, and gave us new laws in the NT. But there must surely be works of faith, not works of law, which can be evidenced - by their fruits you will know them seems to tie up with this. Faith will produce works - it must.
You are correct on both counts…and as James stated:

**20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead.

17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.

18 But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without works; and I will show thee, by works, my faith.**

Even in Revelations “works” are spoken of:

**19 I know thy works, and thy faith, and thy charity, and thy ministry, and thy patience, and thy last works which are more than the former.

12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.**

Even the Book of Wisdom…one of the Apocryphal books they are mentioned:

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11 For he that rejecteth wisdom, and discipline, is unhappy: and their hope is vain, and their labours without fruit, and their works unprofitable.**
 
I had to do it! I know, I am breaking the rules of this thread.

I am a Catholic Christian posting on this thread! (Actually you never forbid Catholics, you just did not call them. Well…I got jealous! hehe)

I just had to! It felt so daring!!! 😉

You almost had to expect it. Telling people to not do something will cause to want to!

Here is a pre-apology.
I apologize!

OK…I am bored! Can’t you tell?

And to at least be on thread topic, here are my three reasons for not being Catholic:
1.
2.
3.

Did you notice they were blank? 😉
(That’s right, I use emoticons…I always thought it was kind of lame, but you know what I am kinda lame, so I now use them! Deal with it! 😛 )
😛 😛 😛

tGette, whatever else you do, under no circumstances what so ever, must you think about:

A BLACK CAT !!!

Did ya see it 😛
 
I am not Catholic for some reasons. Here:
  1. A major part of this forum is devoted to bashing non-catholics, thats a very christian thing to do.
You do not think that Catholics take quite a bashing here?
  1. I have never been to 1 mass, and am not allowed to do to a Catholic Church.
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from entering a Catholic Church to attend Mass except yourself. The only thing you cannot do is take Communion.
  1. I like to believe what I believe, and do what I do under those beliefs without anyone telling me except Trinity.
Therein lies the crux of your issues. 🙂
 
Ag_not;… sorry for interloping…but I saw a couple of things that were very much in error… I just couldn’t help it…:o 🙂
 
I am not Catholic for some reasons. Here:
  1. A major part of this forum is devoted to bashing non-catholics, thats a very christian thing to do.
  2. I have never been to 1 mass, and am not allowed to do to a Catholic Church.
  3. I like to believe what I believe, and do what I do under those beliefs without anyone telling me except Trinity.
Hi ChristianKnight,

I have a question concerning your #2 reason for not becoming a Catholic. I don’t understand why you believe that you are not welcomed to attend a Catholic Church/Catholic Mass. As non-Catholics, we can attend a Catholic Mass. The thing is that we are not welcomed to the receive Communion/ Eucharist in their church since we are not Catholic.

Add the above closed Communion to Christians to my list of why I will not join the Catholic Church.

God Bless!
 
You do not think that Catholics take quite a bashing here?

There is absolutely nothing stopping you from entering a Catholic Church to attend Mass except yourself. The only thing you cannot do is take Communion.

Therein lies the crux of your issues. 🙂
1: Not as much as Protestants
  1. Parents
  2. Oh ya, sorry, freedom and all that jazz 🤷
 
Hi ChristianKnight,

I have a question concerning your #2 reason for not becoming a Catholic. I don’t understand why you believe that you are not welcomed to attend a Catholic Church/Catholic Mass. As non-Catholics, we can attend a Catholic Mass. The thing is that we are not welcomed to the receive Communion/ Eucharist in their church since we are not Catholic.

Add the above closed Communion to Christians to my list of why I will not join the Catholic Church.

God Bless!
Parents
 
😛 😛 😛

tGette, whatever else you do, under no circumstances what so ever, must you think about:

A BLACK CAT !!!

Did ya see it 😛
I must say…either I am blind or very confused! Or jokes go way over my head. 😊
 
Ag_not;… sorry for interloping…but I saw a couple of things that were very much in error… I just couldn’t help it…:o 🙂
:slapfight:

😛

Im sorry - but every time I see that slapfight I get fits of giggling 😛

:hug3:

No problem - to elaborate a bit more, the reason I said not catholics was I wanted to hear the main objections of non catholics and if catholics jumped on every one, then the thread might degenerate into focusing narrowly on one or two topics being ping ponged back and forth, and put off other non catholics from contributing. I wanted to hear peoples main objections without them fearing they would be jumped on.

But the occasional retort is to be expected, so no problem 😃

Now, Behave yourself !!!

😛
 
1: Not as much as Protestants
🙂 On that we will have to disagree… but then it is a matter of “perspective”…right?
OK, I understand now…and you are right to respect their wishes.
  1. Oh ya, sorry, freedom and all that jazz 🤷
On that I think it to is a matter of “perspective”. I’ve been a Catholic my entire life…58 years… I do not lack for freedom, or anything. You might be surprised to find out that though there are theological differences between you and I, our moral codes and many beliefs are much the same.🙂

Peace!
 
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