I'm calling on everyone here in this forum EXCEPT Catholics !!!

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Ag_not said:
This might be a good time for me to say thank you to you all. Ive had my doubts raised and my questions answered and my reading done.

As a result Ive started in RCIA. :eek:

I’ll be a catholic next Easter. 😃

You guys continue to hammer it out. :cool:

I’ll make the coffee 👍
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Congratulations on being able to get in this year!
 
Ag_not: And the result is I am convinced that the catholic church is the one true church.

**RA: **Well, that’s no big surprise.

TBH, I think you pretty much were already decided. I’m not sure how much of a desire you actually had to look at much of anything…IMHO.

I went back and read your original post (Oct 19, '08, 11:54 am.). That was nine days ago when you said, “*investigate them for myself.”

And now, 28 pages later worth of material – in less than ten days – you’ve already accomplished the fairly lofty goal of educating yourself on all of the material mentioned and investigate: all the arguments, counter-arguments, post-arguments, side-issues, historical references, traditions, in-depth biblical passages with various commentaries (both RC and evangelical), word studies, and church father passages!?? :hypno:

WOW!!! You must be brilliant!!! I can’t even pick a big screen TV or a DVD player in 9 days.:blessyou:

You were able in less than ten days to actually achieve your stated desire of looking “more closely at these for my own education” and “investigate” everything thoroughly?!!

I am impressed…:bowdown:

R.A*
 
I tried to go back and edit - Howard’s book was not the first book I read EVER, but the first book that I read when I reached a crisis of faith as a non-Catholic.
flameburns623 said:
Howard’s thinking is influencing mine as well. By the way–he was not a Roman Catholic when he wrote that book, and as I understand, he originally intended it as an appeal to Evangelicals for a richer liturgical and prayer life. I don’t know if the postlude, where he notes his conversion to the RCC was something added to later editions of the book or if it was part of the original publication.
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Yes, mine was one of the first editions printed with the postlude, that or (I could go look at my copy, but it’s WAY upstairs…) he converted whilst it was getting ready to be published and they had to add that to it at the last minute. At the time I thought, “Well, Mr Howard, that’s fine for you, but I’m not about to become Catholic!” :o
 
Ag_not said:
This might be a good time for me to say thank you to you all. Ive had my doubts raised and my questions answered and my reading done.

As a result Ive started in RCIA. :eek:

I’ll be a catholic next Easter. 😃

You guys continue to hammer it out. :cool:

I’ll make the coffee 👍
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:dancing: Doin’ the happy dance - which I was not allowed to do when I was Baptist. 😉
 
Ag_not said:
I asked the question to try and focus my mind on what the main objections to catholicism were, from non catholics. I could then look more closely at these for my own education.
I did.
And the result is I am convinced that the catholic church is the one true church.
And Ive just started RCIA.

But thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

I greatly appreciate it :rolleyes:
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:ouch: sorry. 99.99999% of the time these posts are created to start this kind of deal and it’s why I rarely log on anymore. It’s frustrating. Sorry to lump you in. Got your PM too. I was fairly certain I was going to be told off for that remark. It’s hard not to be skeptical, I’m working on that. Congrats on RCIA. Have you looked into non-Catholic forms for the answer to that question, and if so were the answers any different? Just curious. Were you looking for a good convincing argument to become Catholic so you really needed to hear a non-Catholic view and then a Catholic retort? Hey whatever works, just curious though again.
 
Pixie: Doin’ the happy dance - which I was not allowed to do when I was Baptist.

**RA: **Goodness, that is just sad. Sorry to hear that. How absurd. I cringe.

RA
 
Richard_Abanes said:
Ag_not: And the result is I am convinced that the catholic church is the one true church.

**RA: **Well, that’s no big surprise.

TBH, I think you pretty much were already decided. I’m not sure how much of a desire you actually had to look at much of anything…IMHO.

I went back and read your original post (Oct 19, '08, 11:54 am.). That was nine days ago when you said, “*investigate them for myself.”

And now, 28 pages later worth of material – in less than ten days – you’ve already accomplished the fairly lofty goal of educating yourself on all of the material mentioned and investigate: all the arguments, counter-arguments, post-arguments, side-issues, historical references, traditions, in-depth biblical passages with various commentaries (both RC and evangelical), word studies, and church father passages!?? :hypno:

WOW!!! You must be brilliant!!! I can’t even pick a big screen TV or a DVD player in 9 days.:blessyou:

You were able in less than ten days to actually achieve your stated desire of looking “more closely at these for my own education” and “investigate” everything thoroughly?!!

I am impressed…:bowdown:

R.A*

Sure did 👍 As for all the arguments, counter-arguments, post-arguments, side-issues, historical references, traditions, in-depth biblical passages with various commentaries (both RC and evangelical), word studies, and church father passages!?? I had that sorted out by breakfast - why do you think I was back on here by 11am :rolleyes:

You see, you have to be discerning. You have to have the skill to know if what your reading is useful and educational and well formed and well researched and properly peer reviewed and authentic - and what’s just claptrap. It does help whittle down the essential reading.

Oh yeah, and faith. And prayer - especially to Mary and the Holy Spirit.

Try it sometime.

Doesnt make for great look-at-me-Im-so-cool-verbosity on a web forum - but it does wonders for the searching soul 👍
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Richard_Abanes said:
Pixie: Doin’ the happy dance - which I was not allowed to do when I was Baptist.

**RA: **Goodness, that is just sad. Sorry to hear that. How absurd. I cringe.

RA
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Sad that I’m doin’ the happy dance, or sad that my Baptist church thought dancing was sinful? 😉
 
I just saw your tag line – formerly “agnostic.”

Well, if you love Jesus now, are turning to him for your salvation and forgiveness of sins, and want to serve him all the days of your life, well, all I can say is, welcome to the family.

I think there’s a better neighborhood to live in, personally, but welcome to the family. I rejoice in your faith in the one true God.

R.A.
 
Pixie,

I’m sad that your Baptist church thought dancing was sinful. Ugh, I can’t even get started on that one. I have to breath now to control my temper at those Baptists and go get a cup of coffee. :mad: :banghead:

RA
 
Richard_Abanes said:
Pixie,

I’m sad that your Baptist church thought dancing was sinful. Ugh, I can’t even get started on that one. I have to breath now to control my temper at those Baptists and go get a cup of coffee. :mad: :banghead:

RA
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Yep, it was the “vertical imitation of horizontal desires” or something like that. :rolleyes:
 
Ag_Not:

Congratulations on your decision. I am speaking to a priest tomorrow and will likely seek to enroll in RCIA to help me work through my own issues. I’m not optimistic that the RCIA folks will have a firm enough grasp of the philosophical issues at stake in the competing soteriological theories, both within Catholicism and outside of it, but it will be a lurch in the right direction.

Richard: RCIA may or may not result in this final conversion of Ag_Not to the RCC. I am happy in either case that he is achieving some sort of resolution of his issues, and this in a Church where I do believe he will have opportunity to have a real relationship with the Living Lord. It is a better choice than Mormonism, where one meets the real Christ of history and of Scripture–if one ever does–only by default, via the mysterious mercy of God, and not through the teachings of the LDS ‘Gospel’.

Just my thoughts.

By the way–do you OBJECT to being addressed simply as ‘Richard’? I adopted my moniker for complex reasons having to do with a multilevel marketing activity that I dabbled in years ago–when i was first introduced to the glories of Al Gore’s marvelous invention. I’ve used the same name for lo these long ten years or so. Folks started to wonder about the name ‘flameburns’ and so I started appending a signature line that links the words "flame’ and ‘burns’. Same thing I did with my sales slogan in the MLM scheme, which failed abysmally btw. God bless!
 
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:ouch: sorry. 99.99999% of the time these posts are created to start this kind of deal and it’s why I rarely log on anymore. It’s frustrating. Sorry to lump you in. Got your PM too. I was fairly certain I was going to be told off for that remark. It’s hard not to be skeptical, I’m working on that. Congrats on RCIA. Have you looked into non-Catholic forms for the answer to that question, and if so were the answers any different? Just curious. Were you looking for a good convincing argument to become Catholic so you really needed to hear a non-Catholic view and then a Catholic retort? Hey whatever works, just curious though again.
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:hug3:

I looked at various other denominational forums. Some were just completely insane. The ones I could have a conversaiton raised the ssame old stuff that appears here - they were pretty much word for word the same misconceptions, mis interpretations, and misrepresentations of the churches teaching and position and exactly like here, they dont seem to be able to examine the issues with an open mind. Doesnt seem to make any difference what you raise as a discussion point - they wont look at it for discussion. It must either confirm their position or at the very least refute the catholic position. Oh, and then you gget banned from the site for being a catholic :cool: 😛

I was having trouble keeping track of the objections non catholics have, so by getting them all in one place I could look at them in totality and pray and read apologetics and also examine their argument and hopefully discern what I should be doing.
All of the arguements were so easily silenced by reading the early fathers, newman, augustine, aquinas, and more recently Keating and Benedict and Armstrong among others, along with the catechism.

And prayer and prayer and more prayer. 👍
 
Richard_Abanes said:
I just saw your tag line – formerly “agnostic.”

Well, if you love Jesus now, are turning to him for your salvation and forgiveness of sins, and want to serve him all the days of your life, well, all I can say is, welcome to the family.

I think there’s a better neighborhood to live in, personally, but welcome to the family. I rejoice in your faith in the one true God.

R.A.
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Accepted in the spirit it was offered :curtsey:
 
flameburns623 said:
Ag_Not:

Congratulations on your decision. I am speaking to a priest tomorrow and will likely seek to enroll in RCIA to help me work through my own issues. I’m not optimistic that the RCIA folks will have a firm enough grasp of the philosophical issues at stake in the competing soteriological theories, both within Catholcism and outside of it, but it will be a lurch in the right direction.
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The priest I spoke to after mass on Sunday said I could jump onboard the monday meeting and catch up. It seems like a good bunch and reading what Ive read here about other peoples RCIA programs it seems like a good group. Theres two religous sisters who are catechists running the group. It’s TIGHT. I cant wait to get more into the nuts and bolts of the faith.
 
Ag_not said:
:hug3:

I looked at various other denominational forums. Some were just completely insane. The ones I could have a conversaiton raised the ssame old stuff that appears here - they were pretty much word for word the same misconceptions, mis interpretations, and misrepresentations of the churches teaching and position and exactly like here, they dont seem to be able to examine the issues with an open mind. Doesnt seem to make any difference what you raise as a discussion point - they wont look at it for discussion. It must either confirm their position or at the very least refute the catholic position. Oh, and then you gget banned from the site for being a catholic :cool: 😛

I was having trouble keeping track of the objections non catholics have, so by getting them all in one place I could look at them in totality and pray and read apologetics and also examine their argument and hopefully discern what I should be doing.
All of the arguements were so easily silenced by reading the early fathers, newman, augustine, aquinas, and more recently Keating and Benedict and Armstrong among others, along with the catechism.

And prayer and prayer and more prayer. 👍
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:o :hug1: QUICK! HOLD THAT HOLE IN THE GROUND OPEN SO I CAN CRAWL INTO IT AND DIE! Very proud of your decision and hard research which I have a lot of respect for… Please forgive:( …
 
Flame: Ag_ etc.

RA: no problems here. I wish Ag the best. And will pray for his growth in the knowledge and wisdom of Christ, who is clearly calling his name.

Flame: By the way–do you OBJECT to being addressed simply as ‘Richard’?

**RA: **LoL. no no no no. Goodness, if you could only see what else I have been called online – including by so-called fellow evangelicals and Fundamentalists, you wouldn’t have even asked. 👍

I do love and appreciate all of you here at CA. In some odd ways, I am actually closer to how you guys see certain issues than how *SOME *narrow-minded evangelicals and Fundamentalists (oh, I’m gonna pay for using that word again) see things. Thus, some of the serious hate that has been pushed my way by aforementioned persons.

R.A.

RA
 
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