Yes I should not have used hyperbole.
Apples and oranges. There are infallible doctrines against the ordination of women and artificial contraception, while female altar servers are a discipline with no doctrine, let alone dogma, behind the decisions.
I know full well what a dogma is. The deposit of faith is either silent or supportive of woman altar servers. (I’d argue supportive- lots of active church women in the early centuries).
Nope. Perfectly on-topic to point out that the Vatican hasn’t “caved” on issues where there’s been a LOT more pressure than altar girls.
There are moral issues and there are moral-neutral issues. In the philosophical sense, moral issues are generally binding on all people, not just Catholics.
If one accepts all of St. Paul’s writings as deposit of faith, he’ll find St. Paul had quite a few things to say about women’s role in the churches.
“This is hypocrisy that is the result of clericalism, which is one of the worst evils,” Francis was quoted as saying, returning to the issue of clericalism — or a certain cronyism and careerism among the men of the cloth — that he has frequently criticized. From November 29th meeting with 120 religious superiors.
yes like married priests, women priests, artificial birth control and a whole host of issues. This thread isn’t about girl altar servers. Recently, my parish is sponsoring a college freshman on a summer mission trip. When she spoke, she said she learned to serve the Church and other by altar serving as a girl and that whole experience gave her the desire to continue in service to the Church.
Yes and I’m sure all the women in your church are silent and don’t participate in any responses.
I think there is definitely an increase of those agreeing with the Cardinal that it was a mistake, especially how it affects vocations to the priesthood.
Again, this thread isn’t about girls as altar servers but was a laundry list of complaints which usually are brought up by traditionalists and those that didn’t like the Mass changes that stemmed from Vatican II and under Pope Paul IV. What a number of these complainers don’t realize that there were discussions long before Vatican II about changes to the Mass and have adjustments to the rubrics for a variety of reasons. Changes didn’t happen over night and were in the works before Vatican II.
Hang in there! It is confusing and even honest, life-long practicing Catholics will admit it. I don’t buy into the “traditionalists are poison” theories because there was a time in the Church (and I’m old enough to remember it) when we were all “traditionalists” (without the label) and there *was *a liturgical unity without the priests doing their own individual and creative things that cause us to wonder if all the Catholic churches are really Catholic. I have heard and witnessed things I’ve written the bishop about. And I don’t think anyone can answer why some priests are disobedient to the rubrics but the Catholic church 10 miles down the road is not the same as the parish I attend. Even our DRE recently lamented after attending Mass there, that we are like completely different churches. How sad that we are becoming just like the Protestants in following our favorite pastor should he be re-assigned to another parish.
Anyone who says that having altar girls serving is causing a reduction in the number of vocations will have a tremendous amount of research to do to support that. Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a classic logical fallacy.
Again, there is a sincere effort in many parishes to recruit male servers. SInce you insist on putting people on different sides on this, I’ll give you one guess as to which side is trying to stifle these efforts.
I’m not very good at guessing but I’ll try. I guess that those who do not like girls as altar servers constantly try to stifle their recruitment.
I hate to use labels but when you’re thrown in with the “less than in full communion” crowd…soft core liberals?
There is a dogma that only males can receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders.