I'm getting tired of hearing from Protestants that we worship Mary and the saints!

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I was listening to Father Corapi just last night. And he said something that I hear at Protestant
churches all the time.
He said,“Anything or anyone who comes before Jesus is an idol. The one thing that occupies your mind the most.”
Well when I hear the rosary being said on EWTN I can’t help but feel that Mary is being put before Jesus.
And this is why.
The next chance I had, I counted each prayer as it was recited. This is the way the Rosary was recited.
The Rosary :
Apostle’s creed -recited — 1 time
The Lord’s Prayer-recited - 6 times
5 mysteries-about Jesus----5 times
Hail Mary-------------------------50 times
Glory be to the Father---------6 times
Oh My Jesus---------------------4 times
Hail Holy Queen-----------------1 time
Oh God,whose only begotten son…(a prayer to God about the Rosary) -recited once.—1
The mysteries, a different one of the mysteries which could be Joyful,Luminous,Sorrowful or Glorious.
There are 3 to 5 mentions of Jesus and his experience on earth,when reciting the mysteries.

23-prayers went to Jesus our God or refers to him personally.
51- prayers went to Mary.
Who is being put first, who is occupying the mind the most?
Please remember I am here to learn from Catholics. I don’t want protestant bashers to attack me for asking a question that clears up any misconceptions.
‘Blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus’ - 50 times, even saying His name is a prayer.
[Try saying His name alone 50 times in a row, can you even keep count and concentrate on His name at the same time. Its easier to have a structure, experience shows.]

…‘Pray for us sinners’ - presumably to God, who else, 50 times your prayer goes to God + Marys prayer to God with you, another 50 times.

It all adds up.🙂
 
‘Blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus’ - 50 times, even saying His name is a prayer.
[Try saying His name alone 50 times in a row, can you even keep count and concentrate on His name at the same time. Its easier to have a structure, experience shows.]

…‘Pray for us sinners’ - presumably to God, who else, 50 times your prayer goes to God + Marys prayer to God with you, another 50 times.

It all adds up.🙂
Adds up to what?
 
And what? I just argued AGAINST those that insult the rosary and the prayers to Mary!
Why? when you don’t recite the rosary, nor do you believe The Blessed Mother is the Queen of Heaven. I understand Protestants just think she is just a conceiver…just curious why you would stick up for her when there have been so many Protestants against her.
 
Why? when you don’t recite the rosary, nor do you believe The Blessed Mother is the Queen of Heaven. I understand Protestants just think she is just a conceiver…just curious why you would stick up for her when there have been so many Protestants against her.
And who said I don’t, and who said I don’t think that way about Mary? You make such gross assumptions about everyone who isn’t catholic that it’s sad. You have to be catholic to stick up for Mary? Give me a break. You don’t have the market cornered on defending Christianity and its tenets.
 
And who said I don’t, and who said I don’t think that way about Mary? You make such gross assumptions about everyone who isn’t catholic that it’s sad. You have to be catholic to stick up for Mary? Give me a break. You don’t have the market cornered on defending Christianity and its tenets.
Er…excuse me, but you show me ONE PROTESTANT WHO THINKS THE BLESSED MOTHER IS THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN AND I WILL APOLOGIZE. JUST ONE.
 
Originally Posted by churchcamefirst View Post
Er…excuse me, but you show me ONE PROTESTANT WHO THINKS THE BLESSED MOTHER IS THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN AND I WILL APOLOGIZE. JUST ONE.

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You have been talking to one.
What verse in Scripture tells you this?
 
You have been talking to one.
I just never in my life, you are probably the only Protestant who claims she is the Queen of Heaven. Then I apologize. 🙂
Are there any Protestants here to debate what your own kind thinks about the Mother of Christ?
 
My question would be that if we know how Scriptures says that God had a special purpose for Mary, then why the reverence? God’s plan came full circle. Our everlasting worship and glory and honor is to our Lord Jesus who alone is our salvation and our crystal fountain of faith.
Why would you not have reverence for anyone that God set aside for a special purpose? I think the answer to your question is found in the reading for Sunday Liturgy this week:

Phil 4:8-9

8 Finally, beloved, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is pleasing, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

The apostle is trying to show us how to train our minds to focus on the postive. Mary is true to Jesus, she is honorable, she is just, pure, and pleasing to Him. She is commendable, and excellent. We honor her because God did mighty things for her, an holy is his name!

It is beneficial to our spirit to meditate on these things worthy of praise.

The same is the great litany of saints in Heb. 11, who are role models for us. Of them the Apostle states:

Heb 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight and the sin that clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us…

Let us also…meaning that they laid aside every weight and sin. They are honorable because they sacrificed themselves for their faith, so meditating on their lives is beneficial to us.

" Indeed, by faith our ancestors received approval." Heb 11:1-3

If they were “approved” by God, why would we fail to honor them?

" they were commended for their faith" Heb 11:39

Why not follow after the path of those who are commended for their faith?
 
The “arpon strings from your mother…”
hmmmm…how easily we toss out phrases…does anyone else see the irony here???:o
I honestly hadn’t thought about it, but yes I do think it’s a little ironic. Kind of like, Why are you listening to your mother? You should be listening to what I, a stranger on the world wide web, tell you.
 
I honestly hadn’t thought about it, but yes I do think it’s a little ironic. Kind of like, Why are you listening to your mother? You should be listening to what I, a stranger on the world wide web, tell you.
Listen, if you people pick apart what people say on here, you have a serious problem. The person said the mother kind of brainwashed him so i thought I was helping him. It really was between me and him.
 
Listen, if you people pick apart what people say on here, you have a serious problem. The person said the mother kind of brainwashed him so i thought I was helping him. It really was between me and him.
Or…maybe the individual should open his or her eyes to the world around them…and realize that their are “other sources” of truth and information… Living inside a paperbag is not a safe place to live…
 
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Originally Posted by justasking4
What verse in Scripture tells you this?

churchcamefirst
Sometimes you just have to think outside the book! 😉 **
The “Book” is all that we know of her. To go outside the “Book” is to speculate and build doctrines of men.
 
‘Blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus’ - 50 times, even saying His name is a prayer.
[Try saying His name alone 50 times in a row, can you even keep count and concentrate on His name at the same time. Its easier to have a structure, experience shows.]

…‘Pray for us sinners’ - presumably to God, who else, 50 times your prayer goes to God + Marys prayer to God with you, another 50 times.

It all adds up.🙂
But the prayer is directed toward Mary. Yes Jesus is mentioned,she is the mother of Jesus. But “Hail Mary” is what I am talking about.
Hail Mary Full of grace. The Lord is with thee.Blessed art thou among women,and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
This is a prayer directed to Mary. Not toward Jesus in adoration to the Lord Jesus. And Holy Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.Amen
That is also not directed toward Jesus.
Do you see the difference?
Am I to understand that when you pray “Hail Mary” or “Holy Mary mother of God” you believe you are praying to God. Do you equate praying to Mary as the same as praying to Jesus our God?
I know that Jesus,God and the Holy spirit are one. When we pray to Jesus we pray to God because they are one.
John 10:30
“I and my Father are one”.
So maybe that’s what is confusing me. Maybe what I don’t get is that you believe praying to Mary is the same thing as praying to God. Because you believe that since she is the mother of God she is part of God?
I know somewhere in one of the topics someone wrote about if he talked to his wife he was talking to God. Because his wife had God’s spirit in her. Is this what you mean?
I am trying to understand and I ask this in Christian love.
We love the Lord Jesus Christ and he is our bond.
 
But the prayer is directed toward Mary. Yes Jesus is mentioned,she is the mother of Jesus. But “Hail Mary” is what I am talking about.
Hail Mary Full of grace. The Lord is with thee.Blessed art thou among women,and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus.
This is a prayer directed to Mary. Not toward Jesus in adoration to the Lord Jesus. And Holy Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.Amen
That is also not directed toward Jesus.
Do you see the difference?
Yes, we see the difference and it is significant. 🙂
Am I to understand that when you pray “Hail Mary” or “Holy Mary mother of God” you believe you are praying to God. Do you equate praying to Mary as the same as praying to Jesus our God?
No and no. The “Hail Mary” is a prayer of “intercession” asking Mary to pray for us. Its that simple.
I know that Jesus,God and the Holy spirit are one. When we pray to Jesus we pray to God because they are one.
John 10:30
“I and my Father are one”.
So maybe that’s what is confusing me. Maybe what I don’t get is that you believe praying to Mary is the same thing as praying to God. Because you believe that since she is the mother of God she is part of God?
No, we do not believe that praying to Mary is the same as praying to God. In a way, yes… but as I said before, it is asking Mary to intercede for us with God.
I know somewhere in one of the topics someone wrote about if he talked to his wife he was talking to God. Because his wife had God’s spirit in her. Is this what you mean?
I am trying to understand and I ask this in Christian love.
We love the Lord Jesus Christ and he is our bond.
No…that is not what is meant…about talking to one’s wife. I have never heard anything like that. My wife is a rather “religious Catholic”…but when I speak to her… I am not speaking to God. I am speaking to my wife, the Admiral of our boat, my soul-mate, help-mate, and the love of my life. But she is not God.

I know of no Catholic who places Mary on the same level as God the Father, the Son or the Holy Spirit. Mary is Mary, and she is the earthly Mother of God…a most special woman, created by God sinless to be the mother of Christ on earth… She is special, and she is venerated by Catholics, but not worshiped or held up as equal to God.

I hope that helps. 🙂
 
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