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**Hello…I am a former RC, I was raised RC, I attended Catholic private schools etc., I converted to LDS 28 years ago when I was 21 years old. I am here because of the intense interest of the LDS church recently in the media. I am not here to convert anyone, challenge anyones faith, or cause contention. I am here to honestly answer questions about my faith and I hope to learn more about the RC faith. (I have forgotten so much). I am happily married with 6 children and am very active in my church. I never served a mission, nor have I ever been married to more than one women…at a time. 😃 . I will absolutely respect your faith as my mother and siblings are all faithful RC’s and we get along great. Please respect me and mine and don’t try to “convert” me as my testimony of LDS doctrine is as iron. Hope we have some fun and learn a lot from eachother…or agree to disagree!😉 **
 
Brother_Dorsey said:
**Hello…I am a former RC, I was raised RC, I attended Catholic private schools etc., I converted to LDS 28 years ago when I was 21 years old. I am here because of the intense interest of the LDS church recently in the media. I am not here to convert anyone, challenge anyones faith, or cause contention. I am here to honestly answer questions about my faith and I hope to learn more about the RC faith. (I have forgotten so much). I am happily married with 6 children and am very active in my church. I never served a mission, nor have I ever been married to more than one women…at a time. 😃 . I will absolutely respect your faith as my mother and siblings are all faithful RC’s and we get along great. Please respect me and mine and don’t try to “convert” me as my testimony of LDS doctrine is as iron. Hope we have some fun and learn a lot from eachother…or agree to disagree!😉 **
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Most of the Catholics who comment on Mormonism here are recent ex-Mormons who have converted to Catholicism. I converted two years ago after being Mormon for over 30 years. I have six kids, served a mission, married in the temple, etc. I don’t have anything new that I need to learn about Mormonism. If you have a specific question about Catholicism you might ask it over on one of the forums dealing exclusively with Catholicism rather than on the non-Catholic religions forum. With all that I know about Mormonism I feel I was lied to for over 30 years. It is therefore hard for me to have respect for it.
 
We have nothing to learn from the neo-Origenist pastiche called Mormonism.

What you need to do is repent and come back to the real Christ, not the spirit son of a mutant on Kolob.
 
Welcome to the forums Dorsey

I don’t know much about the Mormon church, but there are a lot of ex-mormons on this forum who do, so I look forward to your guy’s discussions. There are also a few Mormon posters on this forum as well who pop in to give their :twocents: . They keep things interesting if nothing else. 😉

Anyways welcome to the forums, I hope you stick around.

God bless
 
BartBurk said:
Most of the Catholics who comment on Mormonism here are recent ex-Mormons who have converted to Catholicism. I converted two years ago after being Mormon for over 30 years. I have six kids, served a mission, married in the temple, etc. I don’t have anything new that I need to learn about Mormonism. If you have a specific question about Catholicism you might ask it over on one of the forums dealing exclusively with Catholicism rather than on the non-Catholic religions forum. With all that I know about Mormonism I feel I was lied to for over 30 years. It is therefore hard for me to have respect for it.
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thanks…I’ll take your advice…
 
bpbasilphx said:
We have nothing to learn from the neo-Origenist pastiche called Mormonism.

What you need to do is repent and come back to the real Christ, not the spirit son of a mutant on Kolob.
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LOL…I was expecting a little better reception…but nonetheless you are funny I’ll give you that. 😛
I suppose I’m not welcome on this non-catholic religions thread? I better just go to the catholic religion thread…
 
Roman_Catholic said:
Welcome to the forums Dorsey

I don’t know much about the Mormon church, but there are a lot of ex-mormons on this forum who do, so I look forward to your guy’s discussions. There are also a few Mormon posters on this forum as well who pop in to give their :twocents: . They keep things interesting if nothing else. 😉

Anyways welcome to the forums, I hope you stick around.

God bless
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Thank you for the welcome…as I said in my OP I am not here to spread contention, convert anyone or put down another’s faith. I’m just here to learn and possibly answer some questions…and I’m hoping for the same in return.
 
bpbasilphx said:
We have nothing to learn from the neo-Origenist pastiche called Mormonism.

What you need to do is repent and come back to the real Christ, not the spirit son of a mutant on Kolob.
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This was not so charitable. There are better ways to state this message.

Welcome to CAF Brother Dorsey. Most people are a bit more polite here. But then, this is an open forum. We look forward to your questions.

Before you ask,m I would encourage you to make use of the search functon and search this thread for LDS issues. I think you will find that some, if not many, of your questions have already been addressed.
 
Hi and welcome to the thread.
As you can probably work out, sometimes people can add comments that dont make one feel so welcome, which i have been guilty of in the past.
There is another 2 mormons on here that, well, not very charitable themselves, so hopefully you can teach them some manners hehe
Anyway, enjoy your stay.
Im off o/s tomorrow, so God bless you.
 
Brother_Dorsey said:
**Hello…I am a former RC, I was raised RC, I attended Catholic private schools etc., I converted to LDS 28 years ago when I was 21 years old. I am here because of the intense interest of the LDS church recently in the media. I am not here to convert anyone, challenge anyones faith, or cause contention. I am here to honestly answer questions about my faith and I hope to learn more about the RC faith. (I have forgotten so much). I am happily married with 6 children and am very active in my church. I never served a mission, nor have I ever been married to more than one women…at a time. 😃 . I will absolutely respect your faith as my mother and siblings are all faithful RC’s and we get along great. Please respect me and mine and don’t try to “convert” me as my testimony of LDS doctrine is as iron. Hope we have some fun and learn a lot from eachother…or agree to disagree!😉 **
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Wecome, Mr.Dorsey. I have a few relatives who are mormon myself, but for whatever reason I became a Seventh Day Adventist:( Than, years on down the line, I became by the grace of God a Roman Catholic.👍 Hope you enjoy talking to us. We look forward to hearing from you.
 
dolphinlove said:
Hi and welcome to the thread.
As you can probably work out, sometimes people can add comments that dont make one feel so welcome, which i have been guilty of in the past.
There is another 2 mormons on here that, well, not very charitable themselves, so hopefully you can teach them some manners hehe
Anyway, enjoy your stay.
Im off o/s tomorrow, so God bless you.
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We have beat the topic of Mormonism to death in the forum. We have had other Mormons come here who claim they come only to discuss and not to convert. They are wolves in sheeps clothing. I do not know how we can discuss Mormonism charitably since it is more than simply a disagreement about interpretation of the Bible or Church History. They come here claiming the Book of Mormon is the word of God and they deny the Trinity. The Book of Mormon is an outright falsehood. Denial of the Trinity is the same as denial of Jesus divinity. They even believe God the Father has a Father. How can we even discuss such heresy with charity? Their only option is to repent.
 
where is the oh- so important doctrine of baptism for the dead, in the book of mormon.?

Also, the Old testament is typologically fulfilled in the New Testament. The OT signs and wonders are more perfectly fulfilled in the NT(ie. ChrIst is the new adam, Mary is the new eve, mary is the NT ark which held the Word, Bread of Life and True vine)

In what way is the Book of Mormon typologically fulfilled from the NT scriptures?
What signs and wonders of the NT are perfectly fulfilled in the book of mormon, just as God made so in the OT and NT to prove that it was true and inspired? truly fulfilled.

I look forward to your answer. 🙂
 
Brother Dorsey,

You are going about this the wrong way. First, don’t write in bold. If it’s hard for you to read, change the resolution on your screen.

Second if your “researching” Catholicism, there is a neat little button called the “search” button. It’s your friend, why don’t you get acquainted?

Finally, if you want to answer “mormon” questions, wait until the questions are asked. There is no need to volunteer that you are a mormon and are hear to answer questions. There are plenty here for that.

Finally, if you’re here to try and convert, here’s the result of your efforts :banghead:

So enjoy and God Bless. Welcome to the site.
 
I am here to honestly answer questions about my faith and I hope to learn more about the RC faith.

Hi and welcome, Please do not take offense, Do you have an answer to this?
Honesty is of utmost importance if one is ever to see the truth about Mormonism. I was once a rabid Mormon defender however, the truth about the Book of Abraham admitted to by the LDS church and several Egyptologists left me shaking my head at what an obvious fraud Joseph Smith really was. Briefly, according to LDS writers, the “Book of Abraham” was supposed to have been written on papyrus by Abraham about 4,000 years ago. This very same papyrus, it is claimed, was acquired by Joseph Smith from an antiquities dealer in 1835. Smith translated the papyrus and published it under the title, “The Book of Abraham.” It was accepted by the Mormon Church as Scripture and is now published as part of the Pearl of Great Price - one of the four standard works of the church.

Many problems have now arisen due to these claims
  1. LDS egyptologists and others now can read the papyrus Joseph Smith claimed was the book of Abraham written on by Abraham himself. They all agree that it is not the book of Abraham and doesn’t even mention Abraham. It is a common Egyptian funeral text call the book of breathings etc. The LDS church admitted this in their magazine, The Ensign, July 1988, pp. 51-53, Michael Rhodes (an LDS Egyptologist)tried to answer the following question: "Why doesn’t the translation of the Egyptian papyri, match the text of the Book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price? In this article Michael Rhodes clearly laid out the problem which faced the church: “First of all, from paleographic and historical considerations, the Book of Breathings papyrus can reliably be dated to around A.D. 60 - much too late for Abraham to have written it… when one compares the text of the book of Abraham with a translation of the Book of Breathings; they clearly are not the same.” "Before I start, let me say that I… like you, definitely favor the second; namely that Joseph Smith did not have the actual text of the Book of Abraham before him… There is no doubt that the original Papyrus of Facsimile Number1 belongs to the Book of Breathings text. The name of the owner of the Papyrus, Hor son of Userwer, is found both on this papyrus and in the text of the Book of Breathings… although we do not have the original of Facsimile Number 3, the name Hor can clearly be read in the hieroglyphs on this facsimile, and it seems very probable that this illustration was originally located at the end of the Book of Breathings papyrus now in the Church’s possession. I am not ruling it out completely, but I think it is unlikely that Joseph Smith ever had the actual text of the Book of Abraham in his possession… " The RLDS church took the Book of Abraham out of their cannon of scripture because it was an obvious fraud.
  2. Joseph Smith made a book called “Egyptian alphabet and Grammar” This book was a key he used in translating the papyrus. IN this book he had a column of Egyptian characters on the left and to the right he gave a translation. Sometimes Joseph translated one symbol into a half chapters of words when in reality one symbol was never more than one word or a short phrase. Now Egyptologists can read this and all agree that Joseph Smith’s translation was completely false. Not even one word matched. 3. LDS apologists came up with the argument that Joseph Smith didn’t have the book of Abraham and didn’t translate the papyrus but God gave him a revelation instead. The problems with these arguments is Joseph Smith repeatedly said he translated the book in official LDS history (see exact references below) and the original foreword to the book said it was taken from papyrus written upon by the hand of Abraham himself. . 4. Facsimile translations are completely false. Example, in the book a picture depicts a man lying on a table with another man standing over him and a bird hovering above. Joseph Smith said this was Abraham on an alter about to be sacrificed by one of the Egyptian priests, the bird was an angel sent to deliver him etc. All Egyptologists know this actually represents a man being mummified and prepared for entrance into the Egyptian after life.
Church History References I commenced the translation of some of the characters or hieroglyphics, and much to our joy found that one of the rolls contained the writings of Abraham, another the writings of Joseph of Egypt… (History of the Church, vol. 2, page 236)
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"The record of Abraham and Joseph, found with the mummies [sic] is beautifully written... I have given a brief history of the manner in which the writings of the fathers, Abraham and Joseph, have been preserved, and how I came in possession of the same - a correct translation of which I shall give in its proper place." (History of the Church, vol. 2, pp. 348, 350-51)



"The remainder of this month, I was continually engaged in translating an alphabet to the Book of Abraham, and arranging a grammar of the Egyptian language as practiced by the ancients." (History of the Church, vol. 2, page 238)

"October 1. -This afternoon I labored on the Egyptian alphabet... during the research, the principles of astronomy as understood by Father Abraham and the ancients unfolded to our understanding, the particulars of which will appear hereafter.   (Ibid., page 286)

Tuesday, [Nov.] 24. - ... In the afternoon we translated some of the Egyptian records ....

Thursday, 26. - Spent the day in translating Egyptian characters from the papyrus... (Ibid., page 320)

At the beginning of the handwritten manuscript of the Book of Abraham, Joseph Smith asserted that it was a "Translation of the Book of Abraham written by his own hand upon papyrus and found in the catacombs of Egypt."
 
Yeah, xmormon does have a tendency to spam the place. :rolleyes: Very canned stuff. If he would only research, he would know that we are not naive. :coffeeread:
 
dolphinlove said:
Hi and welcome to the thread.
As you can probably work out, sometimes people can add comments that dont make one feel so welcome, which i have been guilty of in the past.
There is another 2 mormons on here that, well, not very charitable themselves, so hopefully you can teach them some manners hehe
Anyway, enjoy your stay.
Im off o/s tomorrow, so God bless you.
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And who might they be? 🙂
 
:whistle: Well, I have to give you the backwards compliment that you are the less obnoxious of the two.
 
justinthemartyr said:
where is the oh- so important doctrine of baptism for the dead, in the book of mormon.?

I look forward to your answer. 🙂
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Baptism for the dead is in the New Testament. See first corinthians chapter 15: 29

29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead

From the wiki:

In a letter written on October 19, 1840, to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church (who were on a mission in the United Kingdom at the time), Smith refers to the passage in 1 Corinthians 15:29 (KJV):

“ I presume the doctrine of “baptism for the dead” has ere this reached your ears, and may have raised some inquiries in your minds respecting the same. I cannot in this letter give you all the information you may desire on the subject; but aside from knowledge independent of the Bible, I would say that it was certainly practiced by the ancient churches; and Saint Paul endeavors to prove the doctrine of the resurrection from the same, and says, “Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?”[6]
 
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