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actually, i cant get a marraige certificate because its illegal, unless i live in boston, where gay marraige is legal… gay marraige wont be legal nationwide in this generation, or the next, but it will be…
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This is true, but mortal sin requires grave matter, full consent of the will, and full knowledge. You have said that you are a virgin (implying you have not acted on your sexual impluses) and as such a sinfull act has not been committed. I am not the judge of your soul. You have not specifically stated any action whatsoever that the Catholic Church would concider Mortal sin.
If you want a charitable discussion we all gotta cool down a bit.
Absolutely not!!!
John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that someone lays down his life for his friends.
This is absolutely the benchmark gold standard for Christian love.
Again this is irrelevant because the Church would condemn all of these behaviors. Your ““Christian friends” having premarital sex with several people” are participating in gravely immoral behavior, disrespecting both their own bodies and the persons of their partners.
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hurst
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Maybe you have the grace of continence. That could indicate a religious calling, not homosexuality. God does not call people to a naturally disordered lifestyle.
But we most certainly must judge lifestyles. Those who choose a lifestyle of robbery shall be judged and thrown in prison. Those who choose a lifestyle of excelling in their sport are judged as heroes. Etc.
In fact, God expects us to judge our own lifestyle, in order to avoid it having to be judged by someone else. Judge what is right, and do that.
The lifestyle of homosexuality is intrinsically disordered and I judge that I should avoid it like the plague. If you openly promote it, then I must at least admonish you to abandon it for your own good, for the good of society, and for the honor of God. And if you obstinately refuse to, then what can I do? I am not in the business of condemning. I am in the business of gratitude for the goodness of God. But in His name, I warn you that there is a Judge, and He will render to us according to our conduct.
On the other hand, what you call “gay” might actually be something else. You might be totally mistaken in thinking that your lack of attraction for females means you are homosexual. In that case, I would encourage you to read and learn about these things so as to be clearer in your communication. Virginity is a good thing, and a higher calling in life.
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im not of the catholic church, so any condemnation coming from it means less than nothing to me, but you preach intolerance, basically… if you were focusing on your own flock, id find it discriminating, but at least those people would be choosing to be discriminated against people of their choosing… what youre doing is the same as (and im not saying you are in any way like them) the nazis discriminating the jews…
youre forming your opinion on a book several thousand years old, and if we, as fallible people can change our minds about something over the course of minutes, why couldnt god have changed his… you also say that a mortal sin is knowingly choosing something… i did not choose this… i ask again, who would CHOOSE to be a persecuted minority? thats like saying some one chooses to have diabetes, or cancer… its your right to think the way you do, and i know im not going to change that, but i wouldnt mind trying to make people more tolerant…
i see gay activists screaming “you have to accept us” but no, no one has to accept anything, but out of love and courtesy you shoul tolerate my decision to live the way i want, which in no way affects your life… is it really so much to believe that a loving god would want you to let others live the way they want, regardless if theyre going to hell… obviously, according to your beliefs, youre not… isnt that enough? since when does god hold you responsible for others actions?
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hurst
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Jesus is calling us to repent and so enter into His Love.
The God of the Old Testament is the same as the New. But He put all the punishment on Jesus, and promised that all who would believe would be saved based on what Jesus did for us. But those who don’t are condemned already.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.
1 Corinthians 11:32 But whilst we are judged, we are chastised by the Lord, that we be not condemned with this world.
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iamme
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youre wrong…
robbery is an act, and the act is punished… you should judge YOUR lifestyle as you put it, but not mine… and just because im a virgin doesnt mean i havent had any lip action… i am not physically attracted to girls, i like men… that is the definition of homosexuality, being attracted to the same sex… i havent had sex because i dont want to at this juncture in my life, that doesnt mean i wont…
as for their being a judge, hey, thats your belief, i dont share it, and even if there is, i have a loophole… to be saved, you must be baptised, after that, ask for forgiveness and truly want it in your heart and you shall be…
i can sin all my life and before i die, ask for forgiveness and truly mean in, and i get a freee pass through those pearly gates, but again, i dont believe they exist… that doesnt make your beliefs any less valid tho… we are entitled to live how we live and believe what we believe without judgement from other sinners, right?
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quotes from a book written by man, making it fallible…
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hurst
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I disagree here. We can consider our existence and by our senses and reason know for certain that there is a being that has always been and from which comes all power, life, and consciousness, etc.
Based on this certainty, we can build a faithful relationship with this our Creator, and judge how we ought to live towards one another.
The reason to bother is to have certainty, from which we may find peace.
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thistle
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I noticed you joined the forum today. Why bother if you are not prepared to engage in a proper debate. I’ve read all the posts and you seem to quite rude to other posters. Have you simply joined to try to cause trouble or do you want proper discussions?
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Liberalsaved
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I can see no rudeness. He just disagrees. Of course, the more sure you are that you are correct, whatever it is about, the more you are prone to taking disagreement as rudeness. Try to accept that you are not intrinsically right to everyone, you will be happier.
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hurst
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Your own conscience shall be your judge, and the Power on High will enforce it. If you do what you know is right, you will be rewarded. If you do what you know is wrong, your own conscience tells you so.
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I suppose that means you must believe everything you yourself say is also fallible. The stormy sea is a terrible place to be.
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Why wouldn’t he beleive that?
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thistle
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Well I’ve re-read the posts: calling people jerks, illiterate, rubbishing God, the Bible and the Church, saying he wouldn’t be a Catholic as he doesn’t want to be molested etc etc. If you really think that’s not rude then what is?
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hurst
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Desire and apathy are an act of the will.
You know you can change? Then why say you are past the point of no return?
You are only an abomination for as long as you decide to persist in it. You are experiencing the judgment of your own conscience, and it sounds like you are being manipulated by the enemy of souls, and filled with aversion towards God and the love of earthly things.
But know this: contrary to protestant teaching, you are able to use your free will to choose good, even if only so slightly.
To be forgiven, you must be willing to forgive what other have done to ruin your life and those you love. Unforgiveness will chain you down, and make you a sitting duck for the enemy, who fills fallen souls with the poison of his envy.
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As you can see, his reasoning is that whatever is “by man” is fallible, and since he is a man, then his own words are also fallible.hurst:
I suppose that means you must believe everything you yourself say is also fallible. The stormy sea is a terrible place to be.
Why wouldn’t he beleive that?
Since, then, everything he thinks or says himself, or hears said by others, is by man, then it is all fallible and unreliable. One says this, another says that, and this up and down swaying and movement is like the tossing of the waves on a stormy sea. There is no peace.
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Liberalsaved
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Fallible doesn’t mean untrue, it means the possibility of being untrue.
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ninjapirate
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i for one subscribe to the theory of love the sinner, hate the sin. while i find your own feelings to be deplorable, i’m willing to help you find a better life through christ, if you’ll just open your heart to him.
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FightingFat
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I think we place waaaaaaaay to much importance on this! Live and let live!
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thistle
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Way too much importance on what? I hope you don’t mean the Church’s teachings!
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