I'm not a Catholic because

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Not to offend anyone, but I find too many parallels in the RCC to ancient pagan religions.
 
cheese_sdc said:
I’m not a Catholic because:

I’ve never experienced the supposed loving God of Christianity; and even if I had; I don’t believe in the divinity of Jesus; and even if I did, I don’t believe in the primacy of the Pope; and even if I did, I don’t believe in inerrancy of scripture.
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What do you believe in, if anything?
 
PJM said:
My friend PLEASE understand I’m not being a smart alec in my comments.🙂

What YOU [or anyone not already a Catholic chooses] to believe is nice; but UNLESS IT ACTAULLY is what God teaches, what God commands us to accept and believe; its nearly worthless expect as a starting point to actually learning and then living the SINGULAR Truths that are Gpd’s not some mortals view of what is necessary for ones salvation.

Always and everywhere the BIBLE and God require our belief in One God; One set of faith beliefs [entrusted to the RCC by God himself] and only One Church: that which Jesus Himself founded: the RCC. JUST ONE:thumbsup:

Either God is completely in charge or you are. The responsibility can’t be split. Love is a GREAT place to start.👍

God Bless you,
Pat
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Pat, are you trying to say ‘God does not love me’?
 
CopticChristian said:
I am not confused, it was you that stated friends say you appear to be Calvinist. Calvinits are confused, in my opinion.👍
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Why they said that, I do not know. Like I said, I never read Calvin, whatever it is he wrote. My views are strictly from reading the Bible.
 
Hey miztyz…
For one, the egyptian obelisk at the vatican.
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I’m not following your logic. Take a closer look at the cross of our Savior placed upon the obelisk by the CC. The obelisk is a silent witness to the triumph of the cross over the pagan religions of the world.

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he parallel of Isis and the Virgin Mary in statues.
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There are pagan parallels to Jesus as well. Are you OK with those parallels?
 
Why am I not a Catholic? Short answer: Papal infalability, Marian dogmas/apparations, dogmas about relics, purgatory, the celibate priesthood, and indulgences . There are more but those are the main stumbling blocks for me.
 
joe370 said:
Hey miztyz…

I’m not following your logic. Take a closer look at the cross of our Savior placed upon the obelisk by the CC. The obelisk is a silent witness to the triumph of the cross over the pagan religions of the world.

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There are pagan parallels to Jesus as well. Are OK with those parallels?
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What does the Bible say about graven images? I also cant fathom how a giant egyptian obelisk is a silent witness, also considering the egyptian religions had already fallen prior to the Birth of our Lord. And if your referring to the parallels attributed to Mithras, then thats where faith kicks in. Also to note the use of coptic shells, the “all seeing eye” in cathedrals, the “Pine Cones” and the list goes on and on.
 
andrewstx said:
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Telestia my computer seems to have BAD problems. For example I don’t mean to reply to this post, but that is what comes up when I clicked reply to another post and I got this.

In my reply I was trying to reply to your post,and it came out all messed up!

Let me just say this: I was raised in a denomination that said all you had to do to be Christian is just get saved or “accept Jesus as your personal saviour”. Baptism was optional and you could do it after your sins were already forgiven. I was raised Baptist.
and then I went to live with my dad (parents divorced when I was very young).

My dad was a member of the church of Christ denomination AND they really taught they were the only Christians, they called members of other churches “non Christians”. Of course their and only their schools and etc were called Christian.

I did get one thing from the cofc and that is baptism is neccesary to become Christian, and they baptised me by dunking.

When I became a Catholic Christian I was not rebaptised, We do believe there are other Christians.

That explains my sensitivity to “just Christian”, my background. Evangelicals seem to mean they are the only Christians by not using the name of their denomination. There are Catholic schools, Episcopal schools and Lutheran schools.

But the church of Christ and evangelicals seem to use the term Christian to imply they are the only Christians and not Baptist, Pentecostal as well.

I mean no hostility to you, you are my sibling (sister or brother) in Christ. We just disagree on some things but we both have Jesus and that’s the most important thing.communicating more difficult.

By the way I have had a stroke, and that may make comm
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A very thoughtful and heartfelt reply,

I’m glad to have made your acquaintance, Andrew.

May God Bless you generously.

Telestia.
 
PJM said:
My friend PLEASE understand I’m not being a smart alec in my comments.🙂

What YOU [or anyone not already a Catholic chooses] to believe is nice; but UNLESS IT ACTAULLY is what God teaches, what God commands us to accept and believe; its nearly worthless expect as a starting point to actually learning and then living the SINGULAR Truths that are Gpd’s not some mortals view of what is necessary for ones salvation.

Always and everywhere the BIBLE and God require our belief in One God; One set of faith beliefs [entrusted to the RCC by God himself] and only One Church: that which Jesus Himself founded: the RCC. JUST ONE:thumbsup:

Either God is completely in charge or you are. The responsibility can’t be split. Love is a GREAT place to start.👍

God Bless you,
Pat
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Greetings Pat.

May God Bless you too.

I agree with all the points you raise, except for the exclusivity you attribute to RCC being God’s Church.

Telestia
 
miztyzo562 said:
Not to offend anyone, but I find too many parallels in the RCC to ancient pagan religions.
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That is not unusual for a Protestant. This is typical of the oral tradition that is passed down in Protestant circles. I found you not knowing and understanding “Judaizers”. I guess you have not read the letter to Romans. If you had you would understand that the letter was to correct the Judaizing Christians. There were those that were trying to cause Christians to be Circumcised to be Christian and Paul points out that error by pointing to the death of the Old Covenant in Romans 7 comparing it to a spouse.

This was written about by one of the Eastern Church Fathers…John Chrysostom, Golden Mouth they called him…

**Discourses Against Judaizing Christians (The Fathers of the Church, 68) [Paperback]
Saint John Chrysostom **

In my experience the so called Messianic remind me of the Judaizing Christians wanting to impose Old Testament Practices, the name Yeshua, and all sorts of outmoded Jewish rituals as part of Christianity…read Romans…been there done that…the Old Covenant is dead.👍

You might want to look into those that talk of Christianity as being akin to the myth of Horus…those that are anti-Christian…you may want to imagine that God created this world and all of its thoughts and all of those thoughts were intended to lead to one purpose His Son…it might make sense that God planted the seeds of many of the ideas of Christianity in many different ways…in many and various ways God has spoken to us through his prophets, but in these last days…

Just recall that Paul points out in Romans that God is impartial and God of all Jew, Barbarain, Gentile, Pagan…and many Pagans of yesterday are now Christian and perhaps those seeds planted caused them to recognize the real deal…

Expand your horizon beyond your small messianic world.
 
miztyzo562 said:
What does the Bible say about graven images? I also cant fathom how a giant egyptian obelisk is a silent witness, also considering the egyptian religions had already fallen prior to the Birth of our Lord. And if your referring to the parallels attributed to Mithras, then thats where faith kicks in. Also to note the use of coptic shells, the “all seeing eye” in cathedrals, the “Pine Cones” and the list goes on and on.
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Actually, the obelisk is one of the few standing objects from Rome and I believe it was actually there since Peter was crucified there. It has more historical value than anything and no one puts any emphasis on it. Otherwise I have never seen anything pagan in our faith and beliefs. Unless you claim that Christ is a retold myth, there isn’t much in our faith that can be accused as pagan.
 
miztyzo562 said:
What does the Bible say about graven images? I also cant fathom how a giant egyptian obelisk is a silent witness, also considering the egyptian religions had already fallen prior to the Birth of our Lord. And if your referring to the parallels attributed to Mithras, then thats where faith kicks in. Also to note the use of coptic shells, the “all seeing eye” in cathedrals, the “Pine Cones” and the list goes on and on.
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Well the Old Covenant is dead too, Romans 7, and many want to import Judaism into Christianity that has been up and running for 2000 years.
 
miztyzo562 said:
joe370;8502054:
Not to sound mean, but It doesnt really matter what the CC thinks, they are still attributed to pagan beliefs and practice. And the last I checked, Yeshua (Jesus) died on the cross, not Mary (Im not de-elevating her, just not elevating her to His status).
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Sorry for asking…🙂

Why would you say, “last I checked, Yeshua (Jesus) died on the cross, not Mary?”

Did someone suggest otherwise? :eek:
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miztyzo562 said:
joe370;8502054:
Not to sound mean, but It doesnt really matter what the CC thinks, they are still attributed to pagan beliefs and practice. And the last I checked, Yeshua (Jesus) died on the cross, not Mary (Im not de-elevating her, just not elevating her to His status).
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Not to sound mean…well it is mean of you…

But it doesn’t really matter what the CC thinks, for me

They are still attributed to pagan beliefs and practice…what in the world does this mean?

And the last I checked, Yeshua, the Protestant/Jewish attempt to inculcate the Jewish notion that we need to make Christianity more Jewish…Paul told us in Romans to nix that…

Mary did not die on a cross and the CC does not elevate her to the status of Christ.

Why are you here? I do not see you asking any questions. This is not Protestant/Jewish question and bashing, it is Catholic Answers…rethink your posting.👍

I doubt you have anything of value to teach or bring to the table based on what I have seen you post.:eek:
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ProdigalAnglicn said:
Why am I not a Catholic? Short answer: Papal infalability, Marian dogmas/apparations, dogmas about relics, purgatory, the celibate priesthood, and indulgences . There are more but those are the main stumbling blocks for me.
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Prodigal Anglican, Those beliefs would be on my list also. I am curious why the Catholics believe these things.

Telestia

Well, tiredness just struck me.

O sleep, O gentle sleep, nature’s soft nurse!
Sleep that knits up the ravell’d sleave of care,…
We are such stuff as dreams are made of.

W.S.
 
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