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miztyzo562
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I think to add to the list, when someone has an idea or belief different their own, wolves in sheeps clothing! WATCH OUT!!:nunchuk:
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David89
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Thank God Jesus told his Church he would be with them until the end of time.
“So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church. And the gates of the underworld can never overpower it.” (Mathew 16:18).
Then speaking the apostles Jesus says “Behold, I am with you all days, even unto the consummation of the world” (Mathew 28:20).
There was one Church, built on Peter by Christ, the gates of hell will never over power it, and Christ will forever remain with that Church.
I wonder if he was talking about the ‘churches’ that were all invented by men after 1500AD or whether he was talking about the Church he founded… Seems obvious to me?
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guestseeking
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i’m not catholic because i dont know if i can be yet…but its the only gathering of christians that i would ever consider to join as a church body on this earth, and that said, i am not catholic but i cant be anything else unless i am just a Christian with no church and no fellowship. because i have gained knowledge that other christians who arent catholic dont agree with and try to preach things to me now adays that are meant to make me less inclined to be catholic, and so these other non catholic churches dont tell me so much about jesus anymore if they know our differences, and i want to know more about Jesus and the Saints and I will not deny what God let me know that they havent taken who arent catholic, now there is a way for them to see differences in our Love for Jesus so if i cant be catholic I cant worship with them either, cause when i try they dont acknoweldge my salvation anymore excpet for my family who loves me like Jesus, and has stopped the insanity since i gave it a rest so did they, they still hold on to me in Christ, but as for the non catholic christian churches, they are blinded by our differences that came to me by faith, and they dont focus on Jesus with me like they used to before this experience that helped me grow. I’m not catholic because i need to learn more to know if i can be joined with other followers of Christ after what has happened else where I am bieng more cautious, because this is the Only church that i know will continue to bring me Jesus and until i know more I wont take the chance, I’m not catholic because i may soon be, but I if i join it will be with an honest heart not just for a church, but for Jesus.
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CopticChristian
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Trent Anathema’s do not stand. You may want to look into this."Why I’m not Catholic" Well, just for starters (since I could write you a mile long scroll worth of reasons): on the one hand, the Catholic Church says to Protestants, “Aw, c’mon back into the fold, Stray Brethren.” (We’ll ignore for the moment the condescension implicit in the label.) On the other hand, Trent’s anathemas still stand, and Trent is infallible dogma, right? It can’t be rescinded, right? So, then, I’m asking myself, what gives with this institution: have they forgotten their old documents (if so, how do I know they won’t resurrect them, once I join)? Or are they less than ingenuous, or…maybe they’re counting on us dumb stray sheep not to notice the discrepancy/contradiction (not to mention the condescension)?
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Phreeque
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Does anyone besides me think it’s a bit strange to say the least that a thread asking **NON-CATHOLICS **why they aren’t Catholic—that such a thread would contain mostly Catholic comments and proselytizing comments at that? 
Initially, when I read the topic title, I was intrigued, and hoping to really gain some insight into the question at hand. It’s hugely disappointing to find nothing but another litany of well-worn platitudes. Seriously, guys, open up another (millionth) proselytizing thread—or use the p.m.'s. It’s a real pain in the tush to have to wade through miles of totally off-topic posts to get to an occasional on-topic, INTERESTING one.
Sigh.
Initially, when I read the topic title, I was intrigued, and hoping to really gain some insight into the question at hand. It’s hugely disappointing to find nothing but another litany of well-worn platitudes. Seriously, guys, open up another (millionth) proselytizing thread—or use the p.m.'s. It’s a real pain in the tush to have to wade through miles of totally off-topic posts to get to an occasional on-topic, INTERESTING one.
Sigh.
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Phreeque
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References, please? Everything I’ve read says Trent is INFALLIBLE dogma. If you can prove otherwise, have at it. I’m game.Trent Anathema’s do not stand. You may want to look into this.
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David89
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Really???Does anyone besides me think it’s a bit strange to say the least that a thread asking **NON-CATHOLICS **why they aren’t Catholic—that such a thread would contain mostly Catholic comments and proselytizing comments at that?
Initially, when I read the topic title, I was intrigued, and hoping to really gain some insight into the question at hand. It’s hugely disappointing to find nothing but another litany of well-worn platitudes. Seriously, guys, open up another (millionth)proselytizing thread—or use the p.m.'s. It’s a real pain in the tush to have to wade through miles of totally off-topic posts to get to an occasional on-topic, INTERESTING one.
Sigh.
Might having something to do with posting on a Catholic forum based on a Catholic website, who will defend their faith.
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David89
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I hope you find what you seek, in response to you saying “you dont know if you can be Catholic yet” I wasnt sure if you were talking about in terms of process, or in terms of your beliefs. I see that you were baptised. If you went through your sacraments as well im fairly certain if you come to a stage where you decide to come back to the Church all you have to do is attend reconciliation.
May God bless you on your journey where ever it leads you
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CopticChristian
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I said for you to do some research. Must I lead you to water if you are thirsty?References, please? Everything I’ve read says Trent is INFALLIBLE dogma. If you can prove otherwise, have at it. I’m game.
This is a Catholic Website, Catholic Answers…if you look in the tab at the top there is a search engine…use it…
catholic.com/quickquestions/could-you-explain-anathema-does-the-church-teach-that-protestants-are-anathema-becaus
Knox, Zwingli, Calvin, Luther were Catholic…
It applied to them…and others.
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Phreeque
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Give me a break. The topic is not: “I’m not Catholic, and here’s why, but I’ll change if you can convince me.” It is a purely factual “this is why” thread, not a troll group of infidels coming around to clobber the Faithful. 
The topic is: “Why are you not Catholic?” plain and simple. The TOS says to stay on topic. Do you disagree with the TOS? Or do you not fully understand it? 
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Phreeque
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You made the claims, so the onus was on you to provide references.
Thanks for the link.
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Eric_Hilbert
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Return to the topic.
If you are here to discuss in a mature and respectful manner, please continue.
If you are here to proselytize or troll, you will be dealt with.
Carry on.
If you are here to discuss in a mature and respectful manner, please continue.
If you are here to proselytize or troll, you will be dealt with.
Carry on.
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shadowlily
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I’m not Catholic because I don’t believe in God.
BUT, if I could be convinced that God existed, I’m pretty sure I’d become a Christian And if I became a Christian, I’d be a Catholic, because it seems to me the only faith that actually makes logical sense.
BUT, if I could be convinced that God existed, I’m pretty sure I’d become a Christian And if I became a Christian, I’d be a Catholic, because it seems to me the only faith that actually makes logical sense.
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PJM
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Joe, THANKS for your support:thumbsup:
My comments:
Liberalism, much like the plague is extremely difficult to stop AND extremely easy to catch. Catholic publications"; advocating independent thought are doing an injustice to the One true Faith. It’s great to understand both what we Catholics believe and WHY we believe it. Beyond that knowledge can often be dangerous to ones Spiritual health. AMERICA is not a great resource for learning what we are to believe and practice.
An old Jesuit priest was found of repeating: “When in doubt rely on Sacred Tradition.” The advice seemed prudent when I read it and sheer brilliance now.
If [and with little doubt there exist] "liberal catholism” it is not new, and its results are clearly visible in today’s troubled Catholic Church. Where is the biblical foundation; or even the Traditional historical foundation that permits it, or even for that matter suggest in anyway that it’s “OK?”
A great many of the Church’s current problems can be traced directly to those “brilliant” minds that feel they know more and or know better than the Holy Spirit guided Pope; the Ordinary Magisterium, and everyone who does not agree with there position. Does that sound like what Jesus would do; or might it be pridefully sinful?
Not even one time from the first to last page in the bible dies God; Yahweh or Christ advocate, or permit anyone; and everyone included, to worship more than One God [Triune], more than THAT God’s Faith-beliefs …[Only One set of beliefs], and as the natural consequence of these options; only One Church, the one founded by Christ himself; today’s RCC. This then mandates Obedience to ALL that She Teaches as it is guided by the HS [John 14:16-17] and By Jesus Himself. [John 17:15-19, Mt. 16:18-19 and Mt. 28:19].
Salvation comes through humble obedience to the church structure set up in giving Peter alone the keys to the gate of heaven. There are ways and means set up for discussion ; that is the role of theology, but even that has limits and direction. One cannot simply invent there own faith-beliefs and practices AND expect God to modify His commands and teaching to accommodate yours. What I have just done was and remains the premise for the Protestant Revolution and the subsequent thousands of varying and customized; personalized sets of belief.
Faith and it right practice do not condone or permit ones own picks and chooses; and as far as ones comfort level, I hasten to point out:
Take Up your Cross and Follow Me
Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, "If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Luke.14: 7 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple
1Pet.4: 13 ” But rejoice in so far as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed.
1Pet.5: 1, 9 “So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ as well as a partaker in the glory that is to be revealed. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world.”
2Tim.4: 5 “As for you, always be steady, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.”
Phil.1: 29 “For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake, “
2Thes.1: 5 “This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be made worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering “
Suggesting that looking at the past when the Church was SOLID, growing, had many vocations; and a steady and loyal laity is not the only option; but clearly a prudent and guided one.
God Bless, Pat
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PJM
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=shadowlily;8506436]I’m not Catholic because I don’t believe in God.
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Have you considered that in the entire universe there are MANY BILLIONS of stars and planents BUT ONLY ONE can be proven to support the life forms we know of? Earth alone.
And On planet earth there are MANY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of “living things” BUT ONLY ONE can rationalize and LOVE
Humanity.In order to be able to rationalize and love requires a mind; an intellect; and a freewill. So quantify for us your “freewill.”
What is its size, shape, color, weight? Can’t be done BECASUE these are Spiritual THINGS. Science tells us that “Like MUST ORIGINATE FROM LIKE”. So then where do these POWERFUL GIFTS come from and WHY do only humanity have them?
Find a bible or look on line in one and READ the short passages of Isaiah Chapter 43 verses 7 and 21.
Then consider the complexity of the universe. Does the sun and moon exist by accident? Do they rise and set by luck?
Humanity exist for a very ptrecise reason as do the workings of the universe. The Odds of this not being true are MANY BILLIONS TO NONE:thumbsup:
God Bless you, and thanks for your post. let me know if I can further your awareness of the greatness that surrounds us?
Pat
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joe370
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I certainly respect your reasons, even if I do not understand them, but I must say: As a former protestant all all I ever hear is: “Aw, c’mon back into the fold, Stray Brethren.” Get away from that big bad apostate catholic church. That kind of condescension is rampant in protestantism. A simple google search proves my point. The Papacy is ridiculed everywhere on line. I don’t see the CC doing that to any of the PC’s."Why I’m not Catholic" Well, just for starters (since I could write you a mile long scroll worth of reasons): on the one hand, the Catholic Church says to Protestants, “Aw, c’mon back into the fold, Stray Brethren.” (We’ll ignore for the moment the condescension implicit in the label.) On the other hand, Trent’s anathemas still stand, and Trent is infallible dogma, right? It can’t be rescinded, right? So, then, I’m asking myself, what gives with this institution: have they forgotten their old documents (if so, how do I know they won’t resurrect them, once I join
You mock, sadly with condescension, the idea of infallible dogma and insist that the CC has what you claim to be discrepancies/contradictions. If they are valid discrepancies/contradictions then I will concede but first you have to provide some quotes of what you believe are discrepancies/contradictions?
Since infallibility (knowable doctrinal truth) - is obviously a joke you, then are you suggesting that all protestant church leaders who have instituted churches, are only capable of teaching fallibly?
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Bballer32
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Welcome to the Feast!!! May the Holy Trinity Guide you to the TruthI’m not a Catholic because the Easter Vigil hasn’t arrived yet
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joe370
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I was once (agnostic in my case) - where you are right now and followed a similar path. I will absolutely pray that God helps you in your quest my friend!!!I’m not Catholic because I don’t believe in God.
BUT, if I could be convinced that God existed, I’m pretty sure I’d become a Christian And if I became a Christian, I’d be a Catholic, because it seems to me the only faith that actually makes logical sense.
PM me if you are ever interested in knowing what helped me eventually believe that God truly exists?
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joe370
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And the truly sad part is:I am so with you. I do not understand how people can just link things together that are so irrational. By that logic someone could say:
“Protestants have a band in their church. The logical conclusion is they must worship bands!”
Protestants, even some of my family members, buy into the propaganda.
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truthordeath
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I really don’t find it strange that all my posts and comments have been removed.Wow! does the truth hurt that much??
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