I'm scared. I'm going to be in purgatory until the end of time!

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Ben_Sinner said:
And this raises another fear I’m having.

If one committed a mortal sin, such as distributing sinful media all over and can’t be completely rid of anymore…their mortal sin wouldn’t be forgiven because the media could never be completely eliminated, even if one repented of it?
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Sin confessed is always forgiven of eternal punishment.

There are many of us in the same kind of boat as you are.

Parents do things they know they shouldn’t do giving bad example to their children, or to others. I’m not excusing this, but there are many examples of behaviour that lead others in the wrong direction. So this is a hard one to face.

One way is to start praying for those who might have been affected.

Another is to do works of charity. Because in James, it says that a multitude of sin is covered by charity. And of course helping those already in purgatory is a merciful work.

I think the rest we can put in the merciful hands of God who forgives us as we forgive our neighbor and because we are his children. We all make mistakes, and the only thing to do is throw ourselves on his merciful love for being the dumb clucks that we are.

I like the verse in one of the Psalms that goes something like this … forgive me, O Lord, for the stupidity of the mistakes of my youth.

“With all my heart I implore you to your face: take pity on me, as you have promised.” Psalm 118
 
fladreamer said:
Humanly speaking, one year for people very close to God and years and years, if not decades, of purgation for hardened sinners who had a last-minute change of heart makes sense. Though it’s certainly possible for God to rid a soul of impurities and attachment to sin in the twinkling of an eye.
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But at Fatima, Mary told Francisco (and he was only 10) that he’d have to pray a lot of rosaries before he reached heaven. I’m puzzled as to what possible sins he could have committed? And what about the village girl that had died, and Mary said she’d be in Purgatory till the end of the world? I know that we don’t have to believe in private revelations, but if this is true (and remember God is just as well as merciful) I really worry. Sins have been forgiven, but isn’t there still something we have to pay if we haven’t on earth?
 
fred_conty said:
Sin confessed is always forgiven of eternal punishment.

There are many of us in the same kind of boat as you are.

Parents do things they know they shouldn’t do giving bad example to their children, or to others. I’m not excusing this, but there are many examples of behaviour that lead others in the wrong direction. So this is a hard one to face.

One way is to start praying for those who might have been affected.

Another is to do works of charity. Because in James, it says that a multitude of sin is covered by charity. And of course helping those already in purgatory is a merciful work.

I think the rest we can put in the merciful hands of God who forgives us as we forgive our neighbor and because we are his children. We all make mistakes, and the only thing to do is throw ourselves on his merciful love for being the dumb clucks that we are.

I like the verse in one of the Psalms that goes something like this … forgive me, O Lord, for the stupidity of the mistakes of my youth.

“With all my heart I implore you to your face: take pity on me, as you have promised.” Psalm 118
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Let’s face it, it would be impossible to earn heaven on our own merits. We need God’s Grace.
 
utah_rose said:
But at Fatima, Mary told Francisco (and he was only 10) that he’d have to pray a lot of rosaries before he reached heaven. I’m puzzled as to what possible sins he could have committed? And what about the village girl that had died, and Mary said she’d be in Purgatory till the end of the world? I know that we don’t have to believe in private revelations, but if this is true (and remember God is just as well as merciful) I really worry. Sins have been forgiven, but isn’t there still something we have to pay if we haven’t on earth?
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Oh, I can understand why you worry, I worry ALOT about my death and where I will end up, and how it will be. I can imagine some extremely terrible scenarios, but to think its actually probably much worse than anything I can imagine, that just makes me worry all the more.

But in the end, wherever we end up, we do know for a fact, there will be many other people in the same situation with us, so that may make it a little easier.
 
fladreamer said:
My question, at its core, had to do with the time aspect of purgatory. If it’s not temporal, as you stated in your previous post, then everybody who dies today will necessarily be in heaven before the day is through. Then praying for aunt Clara to be released from purgatory 6 months after her passing does not make sense, does it? Or does God somehow use prayers said for Clara months or years after she’s died and apply them to Clara at the exact moment she dies? Are you following my drift?
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Although Purg. Is non temporal, we are not. God can apply prayers from anywhere in time to it.

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utah_rose said:
But at Fatima, Mary told Francisco (and he was only 10) that he’d have to pray a lot of rosaries before he reached heaven. I’m puzzled as to what possible sins he could have committed? And what about the village girl that had died, and Mary said she’d be in Purgatory till the end of the world? I know that we don’t have to believe in private revelations, but if this is true (and remember God is just as well as merciful) I really worry. Sins have been forgiven, but isn’t there still something we have to pay if we haven’t on earth?
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There is a penalty attached to sin, any sin. Once the sin is forgiven, it needs to be expiated. Either through prayer, penance, work of mercy, suffering or indulgence. ‘‘An indulgence is the remission of temporal punishment due to sins already forgiven’’. There are two kinds of indulgences: plenary (full) or partial. Get a plenary indulgence hours or days before you die and you go straight to heaven. But gaining a plenary indulgence is no easy task, probably out of reach for most folks.
 
If I die and find myself in Purgatory I will be happy because it means I have been saved and can never go to Hell. Next step is Heaven. Therefore I wouldn’t care how long I had to spend in Purgatory.
 
I know I’m in the minority, but I’m not scared of purgatory. Not at all. Purgatory will have great sufferings, but you know 110% for certain you are going to heaven. ❤️ That is FAR more of a consolation than I have ever received here below. That joy and consolation to me would totally consume any other sufferings I might experience while in purgatory. I’m not scared at all! I’d be ecstatic to make it safely to purgatory!!! 🙂
 
Convert_in_99 said:
I know I’m in the minority, but I’m not scared of purgatory. Not at all. Purgatory will have great sufferings, but you know 110% for certain you are going to heaven. ❤️ That is FAR more of a consolation than I have ever received here below. That joy and consolation to me would totally consume any other sufferings I might experience while in purgatory. I’m not scared at all! I’d be ecstatic to make it safely to purgatory!!! 🙂
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Yes.

At least in Purgatoy we are assured Heaven and what we are undergoing in Purgatory is preparing us for the Beatific vision.

In short, we have something to look forward to.
 
That’s not how forgiveness works.

When your forgiven, your sins no longer weigh down on your soul. Not even if the effects of said sin are irreversible.

Think of it like this; before converting to Christianity, St. Paul murdered Christians and handed them over for execution. The people he killed were still dead after St. Paul repented, but that doesn’t make him less of a Saint.
 
People have mentioned murder.

Yes I understand, but I’m still afraid because while the victim can’t be brought back, the person being dead won’t be a source of scandal for other people even after the murder was repented of.

With sinful art/etc. the object is still out there leading other people to sin long after I have repented of it…that is why I have concerns about whether I, and people like Leah Darrow who was a former supermodel turned apologist, am truly forgiven or not if I can’t manage to completely wipe that art off the face of the earth,
 
Ben_Sinner said:
People have mentioned murder.

Yes I understand, but I’m still afraid because while the victim can’t be brought back, the person being dead won’t be a source of scandal for other people even after the murder was repented of.

With sinful art/etc. the object is still out there leading other people to sin long after I have repented of it…that is why I have concerns about whether I, and people like Leah Darrow who was a former supermodel turned apologist, am truly forgiven or not if I can’t manage to completely wipe that art off the face of the earth,
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Can I paraphrase your question like this:
Is my sin more powerful than God’s mercy?

The consequences of sin are what they are. We all have them. That is a cross. What do we do with crosses? Carry them alongside the Lord.
 
Ben_Sinner said:
Yes I understand, but I’m still afraid because while the victim can’t be brought back, the person being dead won’t be a source of scandal for other people even after the murder was repented of.
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Yes it does. It’s called Copycat crime; when one person’s crime inspires another to do the same thing.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime

And in any case, once you go to confession for a sin you are cleansed of ALL spiritual responsibility for that sin. That means no Hell, no purgatory.
 
TravisandJill said:
Was this written about 150 years ago? I ask because I’ve come across lots of these types of “stories” from that time frame. It’s like they used to get a kick out of being Jansenists. I’ve started reading, “Consoling the Heart of Jesus” and it speaks a lot about people portraying Jesus as a angry God back in the 17th century.
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Well I should t have called them jansenists as I don’t know them. Read consoling materials only
 
If I make it to purgatory, I’ll be there with you, so let’s look for each other when we get there.

I’m scared too, but at least maybe I’ll know someone there.
 
GEddie said:
Purgatory is not temporal.

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Please explain.
1472 To understand this doctrine and practice of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a double consequence. Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.
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1498 Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory.
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