I'm sick of all the cafeteria, lukewarm, irreverant, uncatechized, cultural catholics

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Cafeteria Catholics… Lukewarm Catholics… Cultural Catholics… Self-excommunicated by their own disobedience… Irreverent Catholics… Damned to eternal hell…

What I always try to remember is that I was not unlike that person long ago, and that I have no idea when that person may be converted. What I always try to remember is that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone, least of all myself.

God waited patiently for me - waited 43 years - all the time keeping me safe from harm, keeping me alive and safe in spite of my every attempt to kill myself through drugs, car wrecks, smoking and drinking, and just general stupidity. I was bound in a lifestyle of habitual sin and I’m sure many looked at me as an uneducated, disobedient, cafateria Catholic who was not worthy of the sacraments and damned by my own choices, by my own free will, to eternity in Hell. I remember in my mid-20’s, a woman I worked with and one of my former teachers from high school talking about me right in front of me like I wasn’t even there. They were wagging their heads and saying that I might as well just go overdose on drugs right then-and-there because that is what was going to happen eventually anyway and that I was just a waste of life. What they said still hurt, in spite of the drugs.

But God waited patiently for 43 years, slowly getting me to quit drugs and cut my hair, giving me a wife and and children - which I didn’t deserve - and using them to teach me responsiblity. When my daughter died, God gave me a chance to turn to him but I wasn’t ready so he waited patiently for another dozen years while I continued in sin, until the departure of my wife finally broke me and I had no place to go but to God. And the whole time, God kept me safe and out of harms way because he knew that it was just a matter of time. The whole time he called to me, whispered to me, said “Psssst! Over here…”, and slowly changed me, imperceptively, until I was ready. God had a plan which I wasn’t aware of.

When I see “Cafateria Catholics”, I see myself. When I see lukewarm Catholic, I see myself. When I see uncatechized Catholics or people who are addicted to sin or who recieve the Eucharist in a state of sin, I see myself. I try to remember that not long ago, I was exactly like them. And I try to always remember that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone. He could have big plans for that cafateria Catholic, or that sinner, or that sex addict, or that guy who shows up at Mass in bermuda shorts and topsiders. I have no idea when that person is going to be converted. I don’t know God’s plan for anyone, let alone myself.

That’s one of the reasons why I chose St. Augustine as my confirmation saint. He was a drinker and bound by slavery to habitual sexual sin. But God can convert anyone, and we really don’t know who or when it will happen. St. Augustine and I undersand that.

Go easy on the guy in bermuda shorts and topsiders because he may be at Mass to pray to God that he be granted freedom from addiction to porn. Give the guy in a sweatshirt and sneakers a break because he might have just had his frist sober month in many hears and those are all the clothes he owns. Cut the Methodist husband of that Catholic woman a break, because he doesn’t understand - it’s not his fault - and he just might read John 6 one day and suddenly it all makes sense.

Lighten up a little… please. We don’t know God’s plan.

-Tim-
 
At that time, were you attending mass or regularly praying to God at all?
 
Amen Tim, most of us have walked in those shoes and sometimes even put them back on. None of us know the heart of another or experience what is happening in the lives of others. So what do we do about them? We pray for them. As the Body of Christ we have to care for and love each other especially when we become weak. Satan is working overtime to destroy our Church, let us not help him! Come my brothers and sisters and I will carry you when you are afflicted because you did the same for me.
 
Cafeteria Catholics… Lukewarm Catholics… Cultural Catholics… Self-excommunicated by their own disobedience… Irreverent Catholics… Damned to eternal hell…

What I always try to remember is that I was not unlike that person long ago, and that I have no idea when that person may be converted. What I always try to remember is that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone, least of all myself.

God waited patiently for me - waited 43 years - all the time keeping me safe from harm, keeping me alive and safe in spite of my every attempt to kill myself through drugs, car wrecks, smoking and drinking, and just general stupidity. I was bound in a lifestyle of habitual sin and I’m sure many looked at me as an uneducated, disobedient, cafateria Catholic who was not worthy of the sacraments and damned by my own choices, by my own free will, to eternity in Hell. I remember in my mid-20’s, a woman I worked with and one of my former teachers from high school talking about me right in front of me like I wasn’t even there. They were wagging their heads and saying that I might as well just go overdose on drugs right then-and-there because that is what was going to happen eventually anyway and that I was just a waste of life. What they said still hurt, in spite of the drugs.

But God waited patiently for 43 years, slowly getting me to quit drugs and cut my hair, giving me a wife and and children - which I didn’t deserve - and using them to teach me responsiblity. When my daughter died, God gave me a chance to turn to him but I wasn’t ready so he waited patiently for another dozen years while I continued in sin, until the departure of my wife finally broke me and I had no place to go but to God. And the whole time, God kept me safe and out of harms way because he knew that it was just a matter of time. The whole time he called to me, whispered to me, said “Psssst! Over here…”, and slowly changed me, imperceptively, until I was ready. God had a plan which I wasn’t aware of.

When I see “Cafateria Catholics”, I see myself. When I see lukewarm Catholic, I see myself. When I see uncatechized Catholics or people who are addicted to sin or who recieve the Eucharist in a state of sin, I see myself. I try to remember that not long ago, I was exactly like them. And I try to always remember that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone. He could have big plans for that cafateria Catholic, or that sinner, or that sex addict, or that guy who shows up at Mass in bermuda shorts and topsiders. I have no idea when that person is going to be converted. I don’t know God’s plan for anyone, let alone myself.

That’s one of the reasons why I chose St. Augustine as my confirmation saint. He was a drinker and bound by slavery to habitual sexual sin. But God can convert anyone, and we really don’t know who or when it will happen. St. Augustine and I undersand that.

Go easy on the guy in bermuda shorts and topsiders because he may be at Mass to pray to God that he be granted freedom from addiction to porn. Give the guy in a sweatshirt and sneakers a break because he might have just had his frist sober month in many hears and those are all the clothes he owns. Cut the Methodist husband of that Catholic woman a break, because he doesn’t understand - it’s not his fault - and he just might read John 6 one day and suddenly it all makes sense.

Lighten up a little… please. We don’t know God’s plan.

-Tim-
Amen.
Been there, been that guy, worked my Guardian Angel hard for 35 years but made it back.
 
Cafeteria Catholics… Lukewarm Catholics… Cultural Catholics… Self-excommunicated by their own disobedience… Irreverent Catholics… Damned to eternal hell…

What I always try to remember is that I was not unlike that person long ago, and that I have no idea when that person may be converted. What I always try to remember is that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone, least of all myself.

God waited patiently for me - waited 43 years - all the time keeping me safe from harm, keeping me alive and safe in spite of my every attempt to kill myself through drugs, car wrecks, smoking and drinking, and just general stupidity. I was bound in a lifestyle of habitual sin and I’m sure many looked at me as an uneducated, disobedient, cafateria Catholic who was not worthy of the sacraments and damned by my own choices, by my own free will, to eternity in Hell. I remember in my mid-20’s, a woman I worked with and one of my former teachers from high school talking about me right in front of me like I wasn’t even there. They were wagging their heads and saying that I might as well just go overdose on drugs right then-and-there because that is what was going to happen eventually anyway and that I was just a waste of life. What they said still hurt, in spite of the drugs.

But God waited patiently for 43 years, slowly getting me to quit drugs and cut my hair, giving me a wife and and children - which I didn’t deserve - and using them to teach me responsiblity. When my daughter died, God gave me a chance to turn to him but I wasn’t ready so he waited patiently for another dozen years while I continued in sin, until the departure of my wife finally broke me and I had no place to go but to God. And the whole time, God kept me safe and out of harms way because he knew that it was just a matter of time. The whole time he called to me, whispered to me, said “Psssst! Over here…”, and slowly changed me, imperceptively, until I was ready. God had a plan which I wasn’t aware of.

When I see “Cafateria Catholics”, I see myself. When I see lukewarm Catholic, I see myself. When I see uncatechized Catholics or people who are addicted to sin or who recieve the Eucharist in a state of sin, I see myself. I try to remember that not long ago, I was exactly like them. And I try to always remember that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone. He could have big plans for that cafateria Catholic, or that sinner, or that sex addict, or that guy who shows up at Mass in bermuda shorts and topsiders. I have no idea when that person is going to be converted. I don’t know God’s plan for anyone, let alone myself.

That’s one of the reasons why I chose St. Augustine as my confirmation saint. He was a drinker and bound by slavery to habitual sexual sin. But God can convert anyone, and we really don’t know who or when it will happen. St. Augustine and I undersand that.

Go easy on the guy in bermuda shorts and topsiders because he may be at Mass to pray to God that he be granted freedom from addiction to porn. Give the guy in a sweatshirt and sneakers a break because he might have just had his frist sober month in many hears and those are all the clothes he owns. Cut the Methodist husband of that Catholic woman a break, because he doesn’t understand - it’s not his fault - and he just might read John 6 one day and suddenly it all makes sense.

Lighten up a little… please. We don’t know God’s plan.

-Tim-
St Augustine is one of my patron saints, and that was unknown to me for some time. The parish that I was baptized in, and that of my paternal family, going back to my great grandparents, was St Augustine’s.

I have no doubt that he has been praying for me and my family for a very long time.
 
I’m one of those cafeteria and lukewarm catholics, I guess. I’m not tired of you…😃
 
@ TimH- I have also walked many miles in these shoes! 👍

Very well said! Thank you! :tiphat:
 
Don’t judge that all:

Cafeteria Catholics… Lukewarm Catholics… Cultural Catholics… Self-excommunicated by their own disobedience… Irreverent Catholics
are living in despair and on drugs and are lost and living sinful lives just because your life was like that.

glad your doing well.
 
Well, Tim must be busy but the reason I asked if he was still attending mass and praying during that time is that I believe there is a difference between a fallen-away Catholic who is really not paying attention to God at all (that person is completely blinded) and someone who attends mass regularly but chooses to believe only what they are comfortable with.

Jesus said he will spit out lukewarm believers.

So those who know what they should be doing but are not are in grave danger, IMHO and need lots of prayer.
 
Just a historical correction, St. Augustine, even when so immersed in other sins earlier in his life, was not a heavy drinker. In fact, I recall in his Confessions his thanking God that he never struggled with that particular sin. All of us have certain sins or types of sins that we particularly struggle with and others that we don’t.
 
Cafeteria Catholics… Lukewarm Catholics… Cultural Catholics… Self-excommunicated by their own disobedience… Irreverent Catholics… Damned to eternal hell…

What I always try to remember is that I was not unlike that person long ago, and that I have no idea when that person may be converted. What I always try to remember is that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone, least of all myself.

God waited patiently for me - waited 43 years - all the time keeping me safe from harm, keeping me alive and safe in spite of my every attempt to kill myself through drugs, car wrecks, smoking and drinking, and just general stupidity. I was bound in a lifestyle of habitual sin and I’m sure many looked at me as an uneducated, disobedient, cafateria Catholic who was not worthy of the sacraments and damned by my own choices, by my own free will, to eternity in Hell. I remember in my mid-20’s, a woman I worked with and one of my former teachers from high school talking about me right in front of me like I wasn’t even there. They were wagging their heads and saying that I might as well just go overdose on drugs right then-and-there because that is what was going to happen eventually anyway and that I was just a waste of life. What they said still hurt, in spite of the drugs.

But God waited patiently for 43 years, slowly getting me to quit drugs and cut my hair, giving me a wife and and children - which I didn’t deserve - and using them to teach me responsiblity. When my daughter died, God gave me a chance to turn to him but I wasn’t ready so he waited patiently for another dozen years while I continued in sin, until the departure of my wife finally broke me and I had no place to go but to God. And the whole time, God kept me safe and out of harms way because he knew that it was just a matter of time. The whole time he called to me, whispered to me, said “Psssst! Over here…”, and slowly changed me, imperceptively, until I was ready. God had a plan which I wasn’t aware of.

When I see “Cafateria Catholics”, I see myself. When I see lukewarm Catholic, I see myself. When I see uncatechized Catholics or people who are addicted to sin or who recieve the Eucharist in a state of sin, I see myself. I try to remember that not long ago, I was exactly like them. And I try to always remember that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone. He could have big plans for that cafateria Catholic, or that sinner, or that sex addict, or that guy who shows up at Mass in bermuda shorts and topsiders. I have no idea when that person is going to be converted. I don’t know God’s plan for anyone, let alone myself.

That’s one of the reasons why I chose St. Augustine as my confirmation saint. He was a drinker and bound by slavery to habitual sexual sin. But God can convert anyone, and we really don’t know who or when it will happen. St. Augustine and I undersand that.

Go easy on the guy in bermuda shorts and topsiders because he may be at Mass to pray to God that he be granted freedom from addiction to porn. Give the guy in a sweatshirt and sneakers a break because he might have just had his frist sober month in many hears and those are all the clothes he owns. Cut the Methodist husband of that Catholic woman a break, because he doesn’t understand - it’s not his fault - and he just might read John 6 one day and suddenly it all makes sense.

Lighten up a little… please. We don’t know God’s plan.

-Tim-
Wow… this is great! 👍

Thank you for posting this, and thank you for sharing your story.

God bless you.
 
As the Body of Christ we have to care for and love each other especially when we become weak. Satan is working overtime to destroy our Church, let us not help him! Come my brothers and sisters and I will carry you when you are afflicted because you did the same for me.
👍
 
Amen Tim, most of us have walked in those shoes and sometimes even put them back on. None of us know the heart of another or experience what is happening in the lives of others. So what do we do about them? We pray for them. As the Body of Christ we have to care for and love each other especially when we become weak. Satan is working overtime to destroy our Church, let us not help him! Come my brothers and sisters and I will carry you when you are afflicted because you did the same for me.
This is beautiful.
 
Although I was never a fallen-away Catholic who got into the lifestyle issues described, I had allowed my faith to grow stale, bland, insipid, and rote. One day when I was going through the scriptures, reading with about as much enthusiasm as one would read a phone book, Christ’s words jumped out at me, “I have come to set the world on fire. How I wish that it were already lit!”

At those words I went into a state of shock, realizing that the light I was letting shine to the world was about ten watts. Sure, I was faithful to the Lord, and the teachings of the Church. But it was a wooden, stilted and stuporous faith.

I went on retreat, and honestly asked myself what I had believed all my life meant to me. Christ was asking me–“who do YOU say I am, Odile?” And I had to dig down into the bottom of what soul I had left to answer that question, and even further to determine precisely what it was that I would do with the answer to that question.

I’m happy to say that as a result of those questions and that retreat, I was able to freshen up my faith, and again approach God with reverence, awe, and most of all, enthusiasm. Loss of faith doesn’t necessarily lead to a crash and burn in this world, and sometimes some of the ninety-nine sheep that never strayed externally get lost on their own little tangents and preoccupations without ever leaving the fold.

Conversion doesn’t have to be dramatic: We who have been faithfully stupefied are in as much danger of losing our immortal souls, and stand in as much need of the mercy of God as any “notorious sinner.” And although it isn’t really mentioned in the Bible, I’m sure that there is at least some rejoicing in heaven when the stupefied sheep shake their heads and wake up to their mission to glorify His holy name.
 
At that time, were you attending mass or regularly praying to God at all?
I can relate to Timothy and I did go to Mass continuously as a habit, even though for a while it was merely lip service and also so as not to disappoint my mom.

I know that Tim is talking about, God is patient and kind and gives us every opportunity to come back to Him.
 
Someone on here called me a cafeteria Catholic the other day. What in the …] is a cafeteria Catholic? The first impediment to forming a community is having convenient labels for everybody. Whatever happened to “Chreasters”? (those who only go to church on Christmas and Easter).

I assume cafeteria Catholic means “lukewarm,” but the truth is that I’ve forgotten more theology than most people ever learn.

Glad that you’re over all of that.
 
Welcome to the club.

Jesus talks about lukewarm in belief, and its mentioned in Revelations about lukewarm
churches, the people were hot on Sundays but pagans the rest of the time.
 
Timothy, thank you so much. You give me hope for a person dear to me for whom I pray. I am gradually coming to being able to let go and let God. All my dependence is upon Him.
 
Hello.

Do you mean by “go easy,” that permissiveness should be kept as the status quo? That we don’t need to be more reverent at Mass, which includes how we dress?

Do you mean by “go easy” we all ought to forget about admonishing the sinner, which is a work of mercy?

I think “going easy” has got morality in this country where it is now.

I have also experienced some of what you’ve discussed - lukewarm, sacrilegious, and the thing that helped me return to attempting to practice the Catholic faith were the words of someone who did NOT go easy on me, but did NOT go easy on me with love.

I think much of the problem has been too much permissiveness and a lack of accountability on many levels.

And not putting God’s will first in my life.

I don’t mean, though, that we should ever mistreat a fellow sinner with criticism, disdain and condescension.
Cafeteria Catholics… Lukewarm Catholics… Cultural Catholics… Self-excommunicated by their own disobedience… Irreverent Catholics… Damned to eternal hell…

What I always try to remember is that I was not unlike that person long ago, and that I have no idea when that person may be converted. What I always try to remember is that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone, least of all myself.

God waited patiently for me - waited 43 years - all the time keeping me safe from harm, keeping me alive and safe



But God waited patiently for 43 years… finally broke me and I had no place to go but to God. And the whole time, God kept me safe and out of harms way because he knew that it was just a matter of time. The whole time he called to me, whispered to me, said “Psssst! Over here…”, and slowly changed me, imperceptively, until I was ready. God had a plan which I wasn’t aware of.

When I see “Cafateria Catholics”, I see myself. When I see lukewarm Catholic, I see myself. When I see uncatechized Catholics or people who are addicted to sin or who recieve the Eucharist in a state of sin, I see myself. I try to remember that not long ago, I was exactly like them. And I try to always remember that I don’t know God’s plan for anyone.

That’s one of the reasons why I chose St. Augustine as my confirmation saint. He was a drinker and bound by slavery to habitual sexual sin. But God can convert anyone, and we really don’t know who or when it will happen. St. Augustine and I undersand that.

Go easy on the guy in bermuda shorts and topsiders because he may be at Mass to pray to God that he be granted freedom from addiction to porn. Cut the Methodist husband of that Catholic woman a break, because he doesn’t understand - it’s not his fault - and he just might read John 6 one day and suddenly it all makes sense.

Lighten up a little… please. We don’t know God’s plan.

-Tim-
 
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