I'm sick of all the cafeteria, lukewarm, irreverant, uncatechized, cultural catholics

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TrueLight said:
Out of love. If you have a Catholic friend who is sleeping with her boyfriend, will you never tell her that it is against Catholic teaching? Will you stay quiet because she is not your responsibility?

I believe it is our responsibility to let a brother or sister in Christ know if they are doing something that is against God, if the opportunity arises. It doesn’t mean you beat them over the head. You let them know and then you pray for them.
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Just a bit of correction, sis. I hope you don’t mind. 🙂
 
DaddyGirl said:
Your story of redemption is cheer-worthy.
But your subject title is a bit…harsh? I am guessing you didn’t really mean that you are “sick” of these people because of the way you ended your story.

But if you are sick of them…and if others are, too–here is an idea:

Don’t have a child brought up Catholic before they have a chance to choose to be Catholic using their own intellect and heart and “free will” (a phrase I see debated on this forum a lot).
That way, they won’t follow the religion half-heartedly, just because their family does or told them to or just because it’s what they know–but they will follow it and believe it all the way.
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My father actually didn’t baptize me so I wouldn’t feel obligated to follow the Faith. He did send me to Catholic school for 3 years so I would see what it was about since I didn’t go to Sunday school. He’s still somewhat conflicted about the baptism though.
 
TrueLight said:
Why are we talking about pew spaces and asking people to leave the Church? Is that what is in your original O.P.? We might be having two different conversations.

I don’t understand why you posted that parody of a quote with St. Monica. Is that what you get from what I’m saying?

Monica continued to pray for her son and did not shy away from telling him the truth.

Souls who have either drifted away from God or who have one foot in the church and one in the world need prayer and the no-nonsense truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I would hope if I ever drift away, loving, caring Catholics will speak the truth to me, so that even if I get annoyed, when the lights are out and I retire for the night, I will ponder those words.
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No, not you. We are not far off. We are on the same page.

I’m talking about people who condemn others to Hell. I’m talking about the posters who say things like “They have excommunicated themselves” and “They have done irreperable damage to their immortal soul.”

All that may be true, but talk about destroying hope! Christ is the good news and in that is hope.

There is even a time for correction. I have corrected a good friend who though divorced, was having a sexual relationship without having recieved an anullment. He needed to be brought back, exactly like you stated. That is a seperate issue.

I could be wrong and I know it is probably not the prevailing view but there seems to be an attitude whereby people are viewed through the lense of today. There is a treatment of people as if their condition is permanent, as if what is visible to us today is somehow all there is, and that God isn’t working in their life in a way which we cannot percieve.

It seems to me to be a lack of trust in God more than anything else.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
No, not you. We are not far off. We are on the same page.

I’m talking about people who condemn others to Hell. I’m talking about the posters who say things like “They have excommunicated themselves” and “They have done irreperable damage to their immortal soul.”

All that may be true, but talk about destroying hope! Christ is the good news and in that is hope.

There is even a time for correction. I have corrected a good friend who though divorced, was having a sexual relationship without having recieved an anullment. He needed to be brought back, exactly like you stated. That is a seperate issue.

I could be wrong and I know it is probably not the prevailing view but there seems to be an attitude whereby people are viewed through the lense of today. There is a treatment of people as if their condition is permanent, as if what is visible to us today is somehow all there is, and that God isn’t working in their life in a way which we cannot percieve.

It seems to me to be a lack of trust in God more than anything else.

-Tim-
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Okay. Gotcha. 🙂
 
TrueLight said:
Okay. Gotcha. 🙂
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I just thought of a better way to say what I just posted.

Correction is good. Condmmnation is bad. The former builds up and gives hope while the latter drives away people from the Church and destroys people.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
I just thought of a better way to say what I just posted.

Correction is good. Condmmnation is bad. The former builds up and gives hope while the latter drives away people from the Church and destroys people.

-Tim-
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Amen!!!
This is the same point I was trying to get across.
It’s not that we should not correct when needed, we just need to make sure we do it correctly, by lifting up, instead of tearing down! 😃
 
TimothyH said:
I just thought of a better way to say what I just posted.

Correction is good. Condmmnation is bad. The former builds up and gives hope while the latter drives away people from the Church and destroys people.

-Tim-
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And I agree with you when phrased that way. 👍
 
Big_Feet said:
I wish more of us would remember this exact thing more often. It is the truth, and if thought about by all more frequently, there would be A LOT more charity in these forums and in this world, I think.
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Yes, and it’s not easy at first, but over time you get it through to yourself. 👍
 
RE: the thread titie. Maybe we are all just Catholics at different places on our journey needing the support of others of us through the rock, shoals and dryness of our journey. We can become the rock they tap for water.
 
Ohana said:
RE: the thread titie. Maybe we are all just Catholics at different places on our journey needing the support of others of us through the rock, shoals and dryness of our journey. We can become the rock they tap for water.
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I would much prefer that, however, I think what’s being referred to is different.

If I’m correct, this is referring to the arrogant people who don’t want to shape themselves into the catholic mold, but rather want to shape catholicism into their mold. It’s an arrogant attitude of knowing more than everyone else, including the Church.

It is the type that thinks something has dawned upon them that has been overlooked by centuries of church theologians and mystics. Somehow they know better and they want to teach the Church. Gah, so many of these were formed when the academics made a run for it after VII, once again.

They are the dangerous ones. It is they who are in danger, because the devil uses them to lead other people away from the Truth.
 
Well, this we know… that St. Peter admonished those to whom he wrote “for the time has come for judgement to begin with the household of God…” (I Peter 4:17). That would include you and me. The Bishop of any given diocese with his priests are entrusted with the legitimate authority to teach, govern and sanctify those souls in their care. They must ultimately give an account for their exercise of that authority, whether for good or for ill. My saying that does not mean I am copping out. We can appeal to the priest, to the Bishop if necessary, and even to Rome if unaided (or even derided) by our diocesan shepherds. I empathize with the disgust you feel… especially when assisting at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.The distraction and irreverence have angered me to the very point of sin.

That said, what are the practical considerations re: my faithfulness to Our Lord and His Church… and His unfailing promises? For years I carried an anger and deep resentment ( I’m a convert of 25 years) that led me and my family into parish-hopping and ultimately out of what some derisively call the “novus ordo” into the camp of the “traditional” Catholics with all *their *resentments and baggage. I could have easily convinced myself after all those years that I had 10’s of thousands of reasons to be done with all things Catholic. The miracle is that I didn’t… It even became clear to me that I should, if nothing else, rejoice in the now experiential knowledge that my conversion to the Catholic Faith was indeed firm and real. For me, what was required was to find my way back to a true and timeless understanding and practice as concerned my being truly Catholic in my life in His Church, and all that that implies. So having brought my family back to the diocese of our conversion a number of years ago, we now attend our local parish. I don’t view it as a “novus ordo” or “traditionalist” parish… I view it as the Church I was added to in its “local expression” 25 years ago, with all its problems and hurts and challenges. Through grace and the overwhelming, healing Love of Our Savior I lift my heart and my eyes to Him who is the Head of His Church not only at Mass but continually and always… longing to, in some small way, console Him with my small faith and fledgling love… If in His Mercy I can do that, I believe He will see it in the midst of all gathered at that Mass and be pleased and honor- ed and even refreshed! Him… the One already wounded beyond telling. Perhaps as He comes to me in Holy Communion, I will hear in His Voice His desire for me to love all those at that Mass that day, for His sake, and pray for the healing and courageous shepherding that we all (especially I) need so desperately. His promise will not fail… neither will He allow His Bride to! Humility and love, dear brother, and a faith that works by charity.

PS> My anger and resentments (which were the fruit of pride and presumption) ultimately landed me in the hospital close to death…

All for Jesus and Mary… all… or nothing!

God bless you and me, precious soul!

PJ
 
PhillipJ said:
For years I carried an anger and deep resentment ( I’m a convert of 25 years) that led me and my family into parish-hopping and ultimately out of what some derisively call the “novus ordo” into the camp of the “traditional” Catholics with all *their *resentments and baggage.
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Sounds like you have traded one set of baggage for another. 🤷
 
Irish Polock wrote: “Sounds like you have traded one set of baggage for another.”

And the kiss of peace to you, dear brother. :>): !! I’m not sure I understand your one-liner…
please speak plainly.

Pax Christi!

PJ
 
Nice to read this, as I have been there, and done that, before. (OK, never did drugs or heavy alcohol, but God knows, I came pretty close at times).

I posted my story here a few years ago when I first found this place. It also took me 40 years to realize all the good things in my life God had done for me, while all the while I was pretty much ignoring him. I have a ways to go I’m sure, but I pray and give thanks each day I’m alive for His patience with me.

God Bless, and Merry Christmas too you. 🙂
 
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Tighty_Whitey said:
I am soo disappointed! I feel duped! Complete bait and switch!!! NO FAIR!! Just when I thought I had stumbled upon a Kick-them-to-the-curb rant about cafeteria Catholics it turns out to be all forgiveness and stuff. I demand a full refund or whatever, but I’m demanding it so pay up buddy!
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Michaela1 said:
Whereas many Catholics today view correction of such people to be uncharitable, calling it “criticism”, such correction really is completely charitable. It is, in fact, our duty, to point out to such individuals (but civilly and with kindness) that they are on the wrong path.
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This is the biggest problem on here when dealing with cafeteria Catholics. Things you say can get twisted around so easily too… i.e. simply telling someone “you’re committing grave sin by doing this” often gets turned into something like “Oh, so now you think I’m going to Hell then?? OMG how uncharitable… how dare you judge me and look down on me!!!..” and so on. I don’t know why people come on to a Catholic forum and act shocked when people actually believe in, you know… Catholicism… but for some reason it does and people can get pretty nasty and defensive over it.
 
We could pray to the Holy Spirit to give them light…

Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of we, the faithfull.
Enkindle in our hearts the fire of your love.
Send us your spirit, our hearts will be renewed and You shall renew the face of the earth,

Amen
 
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, the board game and the action figure. Thank God for his mercy and grace.
 
Sometimes our problem is “we want it fixed NOW” Like getting a new water heater, car problems, even duct tape fixes things FAST. If we keep praying for them, they will be fixed, just in God’s time, not ours… and they dont measure time or even have clocks in heaven, so just keep the faith, and find patience, and in the meantime, keep praying.

You actually got an ACTION figure?
 
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