I'm sick of the rabid Islamophobia on these boards...

[water]

Not just on Non-Catholic Religions, but what feels like every single board people are saying how all muslims are violent people who want to take over the world.

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Get a freaking grip. No but it should tell you something: that there are good and bad people of all faiths.
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Probably not, most of you guys would likely rank them along with Santa Claus and Bigfoot.

Slow down - you were saying that there are good and bad people, but then how you would say "every single board people are saying this and that?..

Don’t you think you are also judging others as well?

 

[Proletarian]

I am just challenging you to get a lesson.

And I you

God bless.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Yes, these poor deluded Islamophobic Egyptians don’t know Islam except what they read in anti-Muslim websites. They didn’t and don’t have to live through the supposed anti-Copt persecution by Muslims in the name and example of their prophet and Islamic Allah.

This report came from Christianpost, an obviously anti-Islamic site, so cannot be believed.

No persecution of Christians ever happened in Muslim countries according to the teachings of Islam. This is all a lie.

Thousands Protest Egypt's Neglect of Coptic Persecution

Hundreds to thousands of Coptic demonstrators in the Egyptian provinces of Cairo, el-Minia, el-Behara and Assiut gathered Dec 5-6 to protest the recent escalation in anti-Coptic hate crimes and the

www.christianpost.com

Hundreds to thousands of Coptic demonstrators in the Egyptian provinces of Cairo, el-Minia, el-Behara and Assiut gathered Dec. 5-6 to protest the recent escalation in anti-Coptic hate crimes and the Egyptian President’s inattention to Coptic pleas for protection from government persecution. According to sources, the on-going two-day protest is a response to the Egyptian government’s sanction of anti-Coptic hate crimes such as arson, torture, murder, and the abduction, rape, and forced conversion of young Coptic women.

In the most recent incident, Wafaa Constantine Messiha, the wife of a Coptic priest, was reportedly abducted and forced to convert to Islam.

"Muslims are regularly attacking Copts, and they kidnapped the wife of a priest to force her to convert to Islam," Zaki stated.

Nothing for us to worry about here. Let’s move on - It was the Amish who kidnapped the wife of the Coptic priest to force her to convert to Buddhism.

 

[famdigy]

Dear Rodrigo,

I sympathize with the Coptic Christians in Egypt. Egypt has a bad track record of human rights abuse. Not only with Christians but even among themselves. There is corruption in just about every level of government, local police, and the religious establishment.

The biggest and greatest enemy to Islam is not the west, America or Jews. The enemy is within, fundamentalism and puritan Islamic ideology are holding the entire world hostage

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

OK, if you won’t back up your argument I will discard it.

I tried purposefully to not make an argument. I knew it would be discarded whether I back it up or not. I’ve been in enough threads to know that.

I just set the challenge to you to get a lesson is Islam because I felt that you were unlearned in it.

I sincerely doubt that you have ever researched Islam or Muhammed. And I picked on you specifically because you are the originator of this very interesting thread. (Can you believe that we are up to 85 posts already. You’ve hit an emotional topic.)

 

[dparker]

The biggest and greatest enemy to Islam is not the west, America or Jews. The enemy is within, fundamentalism and puritan Islamic ideology are holding the entire world hostage

Now THAT is refreshing to read!

I scanned the forums you link to…don’t see that attitude there…

 

[famdigy]

Dear dparker,

Its there and I’m sure if you were to post and ask you would receive the same reply. Here is a lecture by Shaikh Qazwini of orange county, CA last year addressing the issue of islamic fundamentalism. You’ll need forward past 5 minutes to get to the english
alulbayt.com/muh1427/video/2.wmv

 

[pro_universal]

Lip service for Western consumption is not what I mean by speaking and working against the Radicals.

What has any large Muslim organization done to combat Radical Islam? Instead, they spend their time (CAIR is a great example) nitpicking anything in the West they can find to deny the threat from within their own culture.

Somewhat similar to your original post. What have you done to speak out against these fundamentalist that are supposedly “hijacking” your peaceful religion, instead of coming to a Christian forum and making accusations of bigotry.

We are not your problem. Our faith tradition values Free Will. When was the last time a Christian (anywhere in the world) was jailed or killed for converting to another faith?

Replace “Christian” with “Muslim” and even you know the answer to that question, don’t you?

Just so we can be clear:

Are you now reversing your claim that no Muslims condemned terrorism?

Because it looks like you agree that they do, but you just don’t believe that condemnation is sincere.

But anyway, do we agree now that most Muslims have condemned terrorism? That there’s no silence?

 

[pro_universal]

i) Neither I nor most people here are judging all of Islam.

Certainly, there is plenty of judgment in this thread.

ii) There is a radical element in Islam that is a threat to civilization. That was correctly deduced by the Holy Father.

A threat to civilization? What does that mean? Is there a radical Islamic army with tanks and submarines and aircraft carriers?

There are certainly criminal elements who are a threat to innocent people. But the above is hyperbole-there is no “radical element” army that is even remotely capable of wiping out civilization. That is fantasy.

iii) Comparing US mistakes with radical Islam is niave, ridiculous and soooo misguided. That reminds me of people with their heads buried in the sand as Hitler, WWII, and the holocaust got under way. Thank God there were forwarding thing people like Churchill, and Dietrich Bonheoffer with foresight and intellectual fortitude to correctly assess the situation. While others fiddled, pontifcated, minimized, excused and so on.

Rev North

Again, Hitler was in charge of a developed western country that, at the time, had the most technologically advanced military in the world. He conquered most of Europe in less time than the US has taken to attempt to subdue Iraq.

You are comparing apples and oranges. A stateless group of terrorists with no planes, no tanks, and no army cannot conquer the world.

But language about them being “like Hitler” certainly does serve to scare people into thinking that killing huge numbers of civilians is “legitimate” as long as it’s in attacks on said terrorists. That is the real crime-that this hype makes people accept thousands of innocent deaths as long as they were caused “in pursuit of terrorists.”

 

[pro_universal]

Hi pro_universal;

The challenge should be set to the submitter of the original post. Not me.

You were the one implying that learning about Muhammad would change his opinions. If you don’t actually know anything on the subject, and were just wondering aloud to the OP, that would be one thing…but I don’t think that’s the case you’re making.

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

You were the one implying that learning about Muhammad would change his opinions…

It was only a challenge. Generic Man was free to say that he has studied/researched Islam and Muhammed and still stands by his original post.

I’m not suggesting the Generic Man’s original post was invalid, because such suggestions can turn into awful debates.

I am suggesting that Generic Man’s original post would have more credibility if he admits that he has studied/research Islam and Muhammed.

 

[paarsurrey]

Some of us know Islam because we have read the Qur’an and the Hadiths and placed it into the context of the life of their beloved so-called messenger, Muhammed. Have you, Generic Man?

Not all of us are ignorant. Some of us have researched Islam and we still find no truth within it.

Hi

The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of peaceful and human loving Muhammad and his religion Islam and Islam of PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking moral and peaceful.

The first forty years i.e. before Muhammad was appointed ProphetMessenger by GodAllahYHWH has been offered as a reasonable argument/challenge in Quran before Nonbelievers-of-Mecca, and they could not deny its truthfulness

Muhammad had a marvelous record of a peace loving person for 40+13=53 years, he joined in welfare activities if there was any in Mecca, he helped the needy and in distress, he stood for the human cause, he never harmed any person. His record in these 53 years is clean by any standards.

And you know Jesus only lived from 23 to 33 years maximum as per the Catholics; who knows what he would have done to his enemies if he would have lived longer, only GodAllahYHWH knows.

So, there is no justifialbe comparison. Compare first 33 years of Muhammad with first 33 years of Jesus and Muhammad continued 20 years more, all peaceful, so he is more creditable.

Jesus asked his not so brave disciples to sell their clothes they were wearing and buy Swords; and Sword is not used in cutting vegetables in the kitchens, I think, everybody knows.

Nevertheless, Muhammad was peaceful till the end of his life, only he is not understood correctly. Muhammad was a prince of peace, indeed.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

QUOTE=Generic Man;2604721]What the heck, I never said that extremism isn’t a threat, stop stuffing words down my throat. I’m saying to quit the excessive fearmongering and prejudice.

Hi

I agree with your peaceful and un-fearful approach.

If there are some bad people in the Muslim society, maybe a product of Western unjust Colonialism in the past, then that does not give the Western Society a free license to go to the other extreme and become ‘radicals’ in vengeance . Wisdom should prevail; you are more educated, more resourceful people so you should be more responsible and come to their help in a reasonable way, rather it is more of your duty , if this planet is to see peace.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

You’re tyring to justify prejudice, which is intrinsically evil no matter what.
Stop sowing seeds of hatred and paranoia, you are doing no good.

Hi

Man , you say sensible and reasonable things.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

I do say that they all without exception support, condone and teach the hateful and violent anti-kafir teachings of their prophet.
Without exception - for by denying their prophet’s hatred for disbelievers they would cease to be Muslims.

Hi
There are no such teachings in Quran; this is all your piled up misconceptions, layer after layer. Have a little eye of research man, and study Quran yourself.

Thanks

 

[paarsurrey]

Don’t be emotional. We are not screaming that Muslims are generally violent. This is about Islam, and not particularly muslims. We are screaming that you need a lesson in Islam.

Hi

I think you also need a lesson in Islam. Would you?
I would provide you the material, and your opinion would be genuinely get changed.

Thanks

 

[Aramis]

Paarsurrey:

Islam, as a socio-political force, is a violent and essentially evil force.

I’ve met a couple former NaZi SS men, including one who was totenkopfverband. Kind, gentle, family men, of advancing age. Their not being inherently evil doesn’t make NaZi-ism of which tey participated in any the less evil.

The same is true of Islam. Modern mainstream islam is bent on violent removal of non-muslim influences by any needed means. That some, or even many, possibly even most, muslims are not is no mitigation of the effect of the so called radical muslims, who ARE bent on destroying the non-muslims, and are able to have disproportionate effect in both government and media, let alone violent Jyhad.

Of course, if you came to a Catholic BBS looking to preach (which seems the case), you should expect quite a backlash. But no one is forcing you to come here, either, as far as can be told.

Keep in mind: Islam is considered by some as a form of Gnosticism. Gnosticism was condemned as Heresy by the Councils of the Church well before Muhammed.

We don’t fear nor hate you, but do disdain, even hate, and rightly fear, the cultural, linguistic, social and religious movement you are part of. And we fear for your misguided soul.

Just the same as we don’t hate the devout pagan… Nor the planned parenthood employee…

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Hi
There are no such teachings in Quran; this is all your piled up misconceptions, layer after layer. Have a little eye of research man, and study Quran yourself.

Thanks

Sure there are. Read surah 9 and others.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt, as they say.

 

[paarsurrey]

Saudi Arabia portrayed in the media to be one of the most democratic and free of all Islamic governments treats women as almost animals and have no regard for human rights. Are we supposed to take a blind eye on this forum to such injustices?

Hi

Saudi Arabia is not a representitive of Islam, no never. It is just an Arab political Government. Just because Mecca, Medina are located in the boundries of this country, it does not make them a representitive of Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

Can you point out any country in the world, you would say represents say Catholicism? None to speak.

Thanks

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… I think you also need a lesson in Islam…

I think you may be right. But this thread is not about me. Nor is it about you. It’s about the original poster, Generic Man, and his claim as follows…

… Everyone should just admit right here they hardly know anything about Islam…

His original post would have more credibility if he admits that he has studied/researched Islam and Muhammed.