I'm starting to hate democracy. Is this wrong?

[MarcoPolo]

Why were Catholics so stupid to re-elect Obama again?

Most “Catholics” do not practice their faith, they simply “identify” as Catholic. Those who obstinately reject Church teaching excommunicate themselves in accord with Canon Law. But take heart, the upside to all this is that there’s a chance for a truly conservative candidate in '16 that would be impossible if Romney had won. Meanwhile, let’s hope the Court decides prudently regarding the constitutionality of the HHS mandate, and practice our faiths no matter what. God gave us 2 great commandments - love Him and love neighbor. We can still do that.

 

[ProVobis]

Democracy is such a terrible form of government.

Technically it’s a republic. That means we vote for voters who vote for the President. Not everyone has equal weight on his or her vote.

 

[Shannon46]

Even though I’m disapointed with how the election turned out and the way people voted, the sad part is alot people don’t realize the things they will have to answer for when they die.

 

[robwar]

Democracy is such a terrible form of government. I feel that it just allows for mob rule and we end up with rules that go against the church. Its sad because I pride myself on being an american and having a good form of government, but after last night i’m just sick. I hate living in a democracy. I wish we lived in a place where the church was the law and the law was the church, or something like that.

we are a constitutional republic not a true democracy where a straight popular vote would have won the presidency. We unfortunately have to live with the bad choices of others, that is the risk we take in living a free society. That is true with trial by jury system. Sometime they make the wrong choice and let a guilt person go free. Fantasizing about having some kind of theocracy will not solve the problem. that is what Islamic countries have in sharia law. You can’t legislate peoples religious views, thought and speech.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

This conversation does not belong in this forum. Perhaps a discussion of great Catholic leaders instead.

Joan of Arc vs Nancy Pelosi anyone?

 

[ProVobis]

Our country seems to be going the way of ancient Greece and Rome…

Although it’s subjective on my part, it seems their government worked very well before Julius Caesar.

(They also had a Senate, three branches of government, balance of power, etc. But with two consuls.)

 

[robwar]

Amen to what you said, especially your opening words!

I am so sick over last night’s results.

I wish that Our Lord would come back, and come back SOON!

(I’m so mad, I can’t even type straight!)

Why were Catholics so stupid to re-elect Obama again?

The only thing that [sort of] consoles me is that he is a mortal man like all the rest of us, and that one day (and I hope it comes sooner rather than later) he will have to face the Judgement Seat of God-and God will NOT BE IMPRESSED with Obama’s title of ‘President of the United States’. That will NOT COUNT in His sight!

And may the souls of all the aborted babies who were killed in the first term now accuse him in his second!

Don’t we have any REAL LEADERS anymore? Where are the young people from our ‘true’ Catholic colleges? Why aren’t they getting into public office so we can finally kick people like Obama and his evil minions OUT FOR GOOD? Where is all this talk about ‘changing the culture’ like one hears on places like EWTN? IT’S ALL LOT OF TALK! THERE’S NO ACTION!

Our country seems to be going the way of ancient Greece and Rome…we are rotting morally from within…God help America…

I know a number of Bishops that did speak out but the problem lies in that fact that their priests did not follow at the parish level where the people are. It was spotty at best between difference parishes about discussions on the election and what it means in the future. The failure is more at the parish level. Likewise, we had a choice in VP between a real practicing Catholic and one that claims to be Catholic yet support abortion etc. When people have come forward to run for offices, they are not always successful. Look at that senate race where abortion and rape became an issue. The senator that support the total life position lost. Now we are on a collision course between the Catholic Church and HHS and it will not be pretty.

 

[Rich_C]

So you think the founding fathers did a bad job? That they werent inspired?

Yes. No, I don’t think they were inspired. It was a good try, but it left God out and look where its gotten us: morality is up for a vote.

Be honest-would you be saying the same thing if the election outcome had been different? How much of this is “my guy lost and I’m mad now”?

I think I speak for a lot of Catholics when I say I wish we’d *had *a guy in this election.

 

[barb_finnegan]

This conversation does not belong in this forum. Perhaps a discussion of great Catholic leaders instead.

Joan of Arc vs Nancy Pelosi anyone?

I’d choose St. Joan over Nancy Pelosi ANYTIME!

Even though St. Joan couldn’t read or write, she’d wipe Ms. Pelosi off the floor!

 

[barb_finnegan]

I know a number of Bishops that did speak out but the problem lies in that fact that their priests did not follow at the parish level where the people are. It was spotty at best between difference parishes about discussions on the election and what it means in the future. The failure is more at the parish level. Likewise, we had a choice in VP between a real practicing Catholic and one that claims to be Catholic yet support abortion etc. When people have come forward to run for offices, they are not always successful. Look at that senate race where abortion and rape became an issue. The senator that support the total life position lost. Now we are on a collision course between the Catholic Church and HHS and it will not be pretty.

Yeah, but it wasn’t unanimous! Our shepherds failed us again, just as they did regarding the so-called 'health-care mandate.

God help our country…

 

[barb_finnegan]

Although it’s subjective on my part, it seems their government worked very well before Julius Caesar.

(They also had a Senate, three branches of government, balance of power, etc. But with two consuls.)

I was referring to the moral corruption which brought down these two civilizations, not what ‘form’ their government took…

 

[JaMc]

This conversation does not belong in this forum. Perhaps a discussion of great Catholic leaders instead.

Joan of Arc vs Nancy Pelosi anyone?

Well, traditionally the Church was wary (at best) of democracy, so I think it’s appropriate to discuss in the T.C. forum.

 

[benjammin]

Well, traditionally the Church was wary (at best) of democracy, so I think it’s appropriate to discuss in the T.C. forum.

Thank you. I’m wary of it too anymore. Especially since people are too ill informed to make good decisions. It’s too bad it couldn’t be like in the time of the judges where God had judges rule Israel. I know its an OT idea, but I kind of like it. Unfortunately God probably isn’t concerned with our government, at least in that sense

 

[Marie5890]

Even though I’m disapointed with how the election turned out and the way people voted, the sad part is alot people don’t realize the things they will have to answer for when they die.

One has to be careful with that kind of generalization.

Mortal sin, in order to me mortal sin, needs to meet the right criteria according to Church teaching.

 

[Jerry-Jet]

I wish I lived in Vatican City. I’d take my chances with their government.

 

[MarcoPolo]

I know the Barabbas talk is over, but I had to post this because I saw it on Mark Shea’s blog just now. *Also, recall that democracy is that form of government which says, “Give us Barabbas!”*Which also reminds me I have trouble spelling Barabbas.

 

[triumphguy]

The point is, if one doesn’t want to think that the choice of Barrabas over Jesus was a democratic decision - then whatever definition of democracy that person thinks is correct would not have changed the Barrabas incident if it had been applied. Why? Because you had a unanimous sentiment in the voting public that demanded a certain unjust outcome. Democracy allows and is a vehicle to make that happen.

They weren’t the voting public. They were not educated or brought up in democracy. They weren’t given the facts of the case. They were a uneducated and downtrodden rabble used by high priests for a political end.

 

[clem456]

The USA is a Republic…not a democracy. …big difference. Whatever the difference is… as predicted long ago…when voters discover that they can vote for money for themselves…it is over.

I must unfortunately agree. The American Republic is gone. And it’s not coming back. Responsible freedom is slowly slipping away, and without it the US will not endure as we knew it…

But that’s ok, I am:

1. A Christian
2. An American

 

[triumphguy]

I know the Barabbas talk is over, but I had to post this because I saw it on Mark Shea’s blog just now. *Also, recall that democracy is that form of government which says, “Give us Barabbas!”*Which also reminds me I have trouble spelling Barabbas.

Mark Shea says:
November 7, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Sheesh. It was a joke. Lighten up.

I think he was joking

 

[benjammin]

Hate democracy???
Have one specific religion define the legal laws for an entire country of varied people???

Well, I guess if you hate democracy…you can always move to someplace with a totalitarian government like North Korea. But I’d bet you’d start loving democracy pretty darn quick after that.

If North Korea was ruled by the Pope instead of the Kim family i’d take a chance on it. Besides i’m advocating a benevolent dictatorship if anything. Not a catholic police state