Im thinking of leaving the church

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Doberman said:
Im thinking of leaving the catholic church for the protestant, iv done a lot of thinking. We have statues of Jesus and saints that we pray to when we have issues. THERE IS EVEN ONE FOR BALDNESS!

Maybe its cause the roman catholic church is roman. The romans accepted God, but they couldnt let go of polytheism and several Gods, maybe thats why we have saints?

Protestants uses the bible, Gods word. All arguments for catholism seems to come from other catholics.
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I’m not going to try to stop you. I know how frustrating it was for me to tell my seminary teacher and others that I decided to leave the mormon church, and I met so much resistance (in a polite way, mostly though, it was odd…). I remember the “polite” arguments I had with my seminary teacher about why I was converting, and I had made my decision already. It was final, or I thought so anyways. Well, all I needed was for people to understand and help me figure things out, not to agrue with me and give me scripture verses to prove or disprove something. I found that the people who did this are the people I am most close to at the moment; they’ve been the most helpful to me.

I will only ask you to spend as much time on this decision as possible. It’s not a light decision to make, after all. Most importantly: pray, read, confirm it with you heart AND your head. If something feels wrong in any of those, keep searching.
 
Protestant101 said:
There are likely some differences in the situation you describe re Protestants and manger scenes. First, the manger scene is not “venerated” we do not bow down to them; or pray in front of them, or any of the other worship process that I have seen Catholics do in their churches, in front of Mary statues.
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Websters Dictionary
Venerate=Respect or Reverance. It does not equate worship

Now acording to you Protestants you show no respect or reverance to the manger scene. :eek: Thats a Shame

I suppose no one would be sad if someone goes threw it and breaks all the statues it would not matter to you would it? after all we shouldnt show respect to a statue. Reminds me sorda of the kids that break grave stones. No problem with that either you should not venerate some dead persons head stone. Heck they could throw a stone thre the staned glass picture of Jesus, just a picture. Break the head off of baby Jesus. God knows what would be done to Mary. Hey we ant suposed to have a crusifix either guess you could break that too, cant show that any reverance.

Is this how you fill? Is there something wrong with showing a statue of Jesus Mary reverance. Im sure you would not let me tear up a picture of your grand parent. But maybe thats ok with you.

But I bet you would have no problem with your kids if you have any kissing a picture of a loved one who has passed. Or what if your kid kissed the baby Jesus?:tsktsk:

Would you?
Also, the manger scene is not just of Mary;
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Thats awsome most statues of mary have baby Jesus.

Do we have your permision to venerate one like this.
Protestant101 said:
it wasn’t because of this thread that i was studying Mat.23:9, but it just happens that I have been looking at it closely for the last little while. I would be interested to see you “interpret” this text “properly.”
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I would look into this you just may be convinced of our “properly” interpritation.

And when we do. I would look further into everything else if you are wrong here you just may be wrong elsewhere
NotWorthy said:
Rightfully so or not, now you get a general feeling of how Catholics feel when we’re told we worship Mary! 😉

Someone posted the other day:
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If Catholics worship Mary, why do they turn around and blaspheme her by denying to others that they worship Mary?

Amen.
 
BumpSetSpike said:
I’m not going to try to stop you. I know how frustrating it was for me to tell my seminary teacher and others that I decided to leave the mormon church, and I met so much resistance (in a polite way, mostly though, it was odd…). I remember the “polite” arguments I had with my seminary teacher about why I was converting, and I had made my decision already. It was final, or I thought so anyways. Well, all I needed was for people to understand and help me figure things out, not to agrue with me and give me scripture verses to prove or disprove something. I found that the people who did this are the people I am most close to at the moment; they’ve been the most helpful to me.

I will only ask you to spend as much time on this decision as possible. It’s not a light decision to make, after all. Most importantly: pray, read, confirm it with you heart AND your head. If something feels wrong in any of those, keep searching.
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your not going to try to stop him?? Why would you?? Your a mormon not a Catholic…:confused:
 
You mean all this time I’ve been trying to decide whether or not to worship Joseph–and NOW I find out I’ve got the wrong one?
 
cpayne said:
You mean all this time I’ve been trying to decide whether or not to worship Joseph–and NOW I find out I’ve got the wrong one?
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Gosh and here I was thinking it was St Patrick - Lord knows there are plenty of statues of him around many Catholic churches as well 😃
 
BumpSetSpike said:
I will only ask you to spend as much time on this decision as possible. It’s not a light decision to make, after all. Most importantly: pray, read, confirm it with you heart AND your head. If something feels wrong in any of those, keep searching.
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You have some good advices there, but don’t just rely on one own’s feeling. It can get you to the wrong road. Yes, Bible is needed, and the helping of others is very important.
 
water said:
You have some good advices there, but don’t just rely on one own’s feeling. It can get you to the wrong road. Yes, Bible is needed, and the helping of others is very important.
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Thanks for the nice compliment! I know that feeling can sometimes be decieving, so that’s why I also said to give heed to your mind, if you didn’t notice.
 
BumpSetSpike said:
Thanks for the nice compliment! I know that feeling can sometimes be deceiving, so that’s why I also said to give heed to your mind, if you didn’t notice.
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Hey Bump SS!👋

It’s good to see you posting here again.🙂
You’re absolutely right too.
Pax tecum,
 
kamz said:
your not going to try to stop him?? Why would you?? Your a mormon not a Catholic…:confused:
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haha yeah I can see how you are confused. It’s been a long road and there is something not right about the LDS church. I believe there is one true church and I don’t thing the LDS church is the right one. I thought I had made a solid decision to be Catholic but it’s not so solid anymore… like the advice I gave to the person who started this post, I keep praying and reading; Whatever I need to do find the truth.

Anywho, looking into the future I cannot see myself as anything else but Catholic. I’m not going to convert just over that, though. Also, I’d rather see the Doberman in the Catholic church then any protestant church.

Hope this explains it a little.
 
BumpSetSpike said:
Thanks for the nice compliment! I know that feeling can sometimes be decieving, so that’s why I also said to give heed to your mind, if you didn’t notice.
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ah! thanks, I didn’t know what “heed” meant and I didn’t pay notice you wrote it. Now, I do. 🙂
 
BumpSetSpike said:
haha yeah I can see how you are confused. It’s been a long road and there is something not right about the LDS church. I believe there is one true church and I don’t thing the LDS church is the right one. I thought I had made a solid decision to be Catholic but it’s not so solid anymore… like the advice I gave to the person who started this post, I keep praying and reading; Whatever I need to do find the truth.

Anywho, looking into the future I cannot see myself as anything else but Catholic. I’m not going to convert just over that, though. Also, I’d rather see the Doberman in the Catholic church then any protestant church.

Hope this explains it a little.
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thank you for explaining, I didn’t understand and appreciate you taking the time to explain. God Bless:)
 
Doberman said:
Jesus wa God, the pope is not God, and why communicate with saints? We have God.
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Doberman, I have been seeing all of your posts, and following this thread.

It sounds to me like you already have your mind made up to leave the church. You seem unmoved by answers to your challenges.

If you are sincere and still searching, an on-line forum is a poor venue for thinking things through. You need to talk to a priest or Catholic friends in person.

If you are sincere about your doubts, and want to research more, there are many resources available on Catholic.com. But if you are really no longer Catholic, what’s your point? You should probably move on.
 
BumpSetSpike said:
haha yeah I can see how you are confused. It’s been a long road and there is something not right about the LDS church. I believe there is one true church and I don’t thing the LDS church is the right one. I thought I had made a solid decision to be Catholic but it’s not so solid anymore… like the advice I gave to the person who started this post, I keep praying and reading; Whatever I need to do find the truth.

Anywho, looking into the future I cannot see myself as anything else but Catholic. I’m not going to convert just over that, though. Also, I’d rather see the Doberman in the Catholic church then any protestant church.

Hope this explains it a little.
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You seem like a thoughtful person, I wish you the best on this journey of yours:)
 
I do not believe a person can interpret fully and acurately the Bible by themself - and frankly I do not think that I am wiser or smarter than those Saints and Doctors of the Church who for the past 2,000 years have guided and interpreted God’s word for us aided by the Holy Spirit.
I sincerely suggest getting a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and studying it. You will learn much about the teachings of the Catholic Church that you did not previously know. Sadly, too many people do not know their Catholic faith and even worse, most do not do anything to learn about it. Yet they are willing to leave it and also deride it with little or no understanding.

Before you leave the Catholic Church to go to a “Bible” church please consider the following.

**What Is The Bible **
The Catholic Church from the very beginning accepted 73 books, 46 written before Christ’s arrival for the Israelite people and 27 written after Christ’s arrival for the Christian faithful, as divinely inspired. These books are gathered together into one book called The Bible.

The Bible Is Catholic
Before these dates there was no “Bible” as we know it.
  1. St. Athanasius in 367 AD, published a list of books suitable for reading during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as a regional canon for the Eastern Church.
  2. Pope St. Damasus I in 382 AD approved the work of the first Council of Constantinople,
  3. The Council of Hippo, a regional council for some of the bishops in the Diocese of Africa, in 393 AD reaffirmed The Decree of Damasus.
  4. The third Council of Carthage was far more authoritative than the Council of Hippo. The Diocese of Africa then had its see at Carthage, so Carthage had authority to speak for all of the northwest African bishops.
  5. The Council of Carthage in 397 AD also reaffirmed The Decree of Damasus. Carthage, unlike Hippo, sent its decisions to Rome for ratification. Pope St. Boniface I (418-422) ratified the decision and declared the canon settled for the Western Patriarchate. He also sent the decision to the Eastern patriarchs in Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. At that point, the Catholic Canon of Sacred Scripture was informally accepted worldwide.
  6. The Fourth Council of Carthage in 419 reaffirmed Pope St. Boniface.
  7. The Council of Nicea II in 787 ratified the same canon as authoritative for the Eastern Churches.
  8. Finally, the Council of Trent, a worldwide Ecumenical Council, formally proclaimed the Catholic Canon of Sacred Scripture in 1546 as authoritative for the whole world.
***These sections of the Catechism of the Catholic Church Talks About Sacred Scripture ***

**CCC 105 **
**CCC 106 **CCC 107
CCC 108
**CCC 109 **
**CCC 110 **
I will be praying that you make the right decision.
 
guanophore said:
What happened?

Whatcha waiting for?

How come?
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Haha… well lke I said, it’s a long process ad I think it deserves a lot of thought. I thought I did have a decision at one point but then I was talking to my seminary teacher and things didn’t feel so sure after that, so I figured I’d wait it out longer.

But I do not think that a protestant church is the right church. Protestant churches believe that the Catholic church became corrupt, so it just doesn’t make sense that they could derive the truth out of something that lost it. It’s a pretty simple explanation. But not that they are bad people or anything, I just feel that protestant churches are mislead.
 
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