Images of a priest being dragged from a condemned St. Rita church anger the French right

[simpleas]

It was not their place of worship to protect.

This is no different than if some Protestant denomination’s congregation started squatting in your local Catholic Parish church building tomorrow preventing your parish from demolishing the building and blocking your parish’s redevelopment of the site.

It made for some great pictures and sensationalist headlines. But facts are, this Gallacian Church the congregation are members of is not in good standing with Rome. It sold this church building 4 years ago. The building was closed well over a year ago by the legal owners. It was slated to be demolished and redeveloped by the owners almost a year ago. And this congregation broke and entered, has been trespassing and has been squatting since October. And has been doing so in violation of a court order to vacate since January. This is not their church building and has not been for 4 years.

Well it seemed from the reports that it was not just the ‘break away congregation’ that was opposed to the building being removed and a car park/ housing replacing it, the locals were trying to have their say too.

Any how, the rich have spoken over the community and these pesky trespassers have been banished, all is well in the world of greed…

 

[Padres1969]

Well it seemed from the reports that it was not just the ‘break away congregation’ that was opposed to the building being removed and a car park/ housing replacing it, the locals were trying to have their say too.

Any how, the rich have spoken over the community and these pesky trespassers have been banished, all is well in the world of greed…

The NIMBY’s had their day, but the planning commission from what I read rejected their arguments and approved the redevelopment many years ago. The locals weren’t standing with the illegally occupying congregation because they support them, they were using it as one last attempt to try and block a legally approved project by the site’s legal owners from going forward.

The rich haven’t spoken in this case. The rule of law, the courts, and legal property rights have spoken, and frankly I’m glad. If they hadn’t been removed then it would have supported the notion that breaking and entering, trespassing, violation of property rights, and mob rule are how to get things done in society. This priest and his congregation had no business occupying that building and frankly were given far more time to vacate peacefully then they were entitled to.

I mean logically if the building was sold by their Church 4 years ago, that means the new owner gave them 3 years to find a new location for their congregation before the new owner shut the church building down. And the congregation had a further year to find a new home while they wasted time occupying a the building illegally. If anything this is an abject lesson in focusing too much on the temporal. It’s not the building that makes their congregation, it’s the people, the priest and the mass. But they’ve chosen to focus on the building, which was no longer theirs, now to the exclusion of what’s really important.

 

[simpleas]

Originally Posted by Padres1969

The NIMBY’s had their day, but the planning commission from what I read rejected their arguments and approved the redevelopment many years ago. The locals weren’t standing with the illegally occupying congregation because they support them, they were using it as one last attempt to try and block a legally approved project by the site’s legal owners from going forward.

Yes, because they did not want this to go ahead…

The rich haven’t spoken in this case. The rule of law, the courts, and legal property rights have spoken

And these are not institutions of vast wealth?

Lot of people do fight for what they truly believe in, and it may have been more than just fighting to keep bricks and waters upon a piece of land. Most people couldn’t care less about any buildings, but when their community is about to be divided/cut up they try to take a stand.
Not many of us own land worth 3 million euros or whatever they say it’s worth, only certain people do…

I wonder where in the bible the creator indicates that land should have a price tag.

 

[Padres1969]

Yes, because they did not want this to go ahead…

And these are not institutions of vast wealth?

Lot of people do fight for what they truly believe in, and it may have been more than just fighting to keep bricks and waters upon a piece of land. Most people couldn’t care less about any buildings, but when their community is about to be divided/cut up they try to take a stand.
Not many of us own land worth 3 million euros or whatever they say it’s worth, only certain people do…

I wonder where in the bible the creator indicates that land should have a price tag.

No, they’re not.

As for the land being worth 3 million euro, their real issue should be with their own church, which sold the land. Not the current owner. And the time to raise that objection was more than 4 years ago before the sale occurred.

And their community doesn’t have to be divided and cut just because they had to move out of this particular church building. There are plenty of options for what they could do to obtain another space if they want to keep their parish together. Pursuing one of those seems a much more fruitful path to take than to continually violate the law.

 

[detoutcoeur]

Yesterday at 11 a.m., Sunday’s Holy Mass was offered outside, in front of the St. Rita’s.

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 7 août 2016, 11:34

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Quelques jours après l’évacuation par la police de l’église Sainte-Rita, dans le 15e arrondissement de Paris, une centaine de personnes ont assisté à une messe devant le lieu de culte, dimanche 7 août au matin.
Les défenseurs de l’église Sainte-Rita, qui doit être détruite afin que soient construits un parking et des logements sociaux, ne s’avouent pas vaincus : une centaine de catholiques se sont rendus devant l’église interdite d’accès, le 7 août vers 11h, afin d’assister à une messe à l’appel des fidèles de la paroisse et de l’Association de défense de celle-ci. La célébration était autorisée par la préfecture de police.

La messe, conduite par le prêtre face à l’entrée du bâtiment et encadrée par des agents de police, s’est déroulée dans le calme. Sur la clôture barrant la porte de l’église, les mots «en France, on tue les prêtres» étaient inscrits en lettres rouges.
L’égérie de la Manif pour Tous, Frigide Barjot, avait rejoint les rangs des fidèles, afin de manifester son soutien à la préservation de l’église.

Plusieurs fourgons de police étaient stationnés à proximité de la rue François Bonvin, où se déroulait la messe.

A l’issu de l’office, le prêtre a annoncé que celui-ci ne serait pas renouvelé la semaine prochaine, mais qu’une marche serait organisée le 15 août.
A travers cette messe, les habitués de Sainte-Rita entendaient protester contre sa démolition, prévue depuis l’année dernière : l’association privée propriétaire de l’église a en effet vendue celle-ci à un promoteur immobilier, et a obtenu du Tribunal de grande instance de Paris, en janvier 2016, l’expulsion de ses fidèles.

Les forces de l’ordre ont procédé à cette expulsion le mercredi 3 août, provoquant de vives réactions, notamment de la part de responsables des Républicains et du FN. Un certain nombres d’élus de droite s’étaient joints aux fidèles qui participaient à une messe ce matin-là, lorsque sont intervenus les policiers. Le prêtre qui officiait, notamment, avait été traîné au sol.

Lire aussi : Appel au pape après l’évacuation forcée de l’église Sainte-Rita par la police (PHOTOS, VIDEO)

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[Padres1969]

Ok so I’ve dug a little deeper, and it seems this congregation is not Roman Catholic, or any other flavor of Catholic in communion with Rome.

They’re members of the Catholic Church of Gallicane (L’Eglise Catholique Gallicane). It’s a Christian denomination established as a Catholic breakaway in mid 19th century by Monseigneur Frangois Chattel. They reject papal dominion over temporal affairs, insist that the decisions of a General Council of the Church are more authoritative than those of the Pope, that papal judgments are reversible and that the ancient liberties of the French Church are inviolable. From what I gather they’re essentially a 19th century analogue to the SSPX who took their schism all the way to a full break with Rome since their views are incompatible with the RCC after Vatican I. Or put another way as the Gallacian Church sees themselves, they’re akin to the Church of England in the 1500’s.

Their main Church organization sold this particular parish church building to another Christian denomination, the Apostolic Catholic Church. Another non-Roman Catholic millenarian denomination that’s been in existence since 1835. It was founded by a gentleman named Edward Irving. This denomination has apparently not had any priests or bishops since the 1970’s when the last generation died out.

Main thrust of this post is that on investigation, this is not a “Catholic Church” in the sense that the press has attempted to portray it. This is a latter day Protestant church that sold its building to a Millennial Christian Church. And the Protestant church’s congregation is objecting to the sale years after the fact. The only ties either have to the RCC are that they have Catholic in their denominational name.

 

[EIF5A]

Ok so I’ve dug a little deeper, and it seems this congregation is not Roman Catholic, or any other flavor of Catholic in communion with Rome.

They’re members of the Catholic Church of Gallicane (L’Eglise Catholique Gallicane). It’s a Christian denomination established as a Catholic breakaway in mid 19th century by Monseigneur Frangois Chattel. They reject papal dominion over temporal affairs, insist that the decisions of a General Council of the Church are more authoritative than those of the Pope, that papal judgments are reversible and that the ancient liberties of the French Church are inviolable. From what I gather they’re essentially a 19th century analogue to the SSPX who took their schism all the way to a full break with Rome since their views are incompatible with the RCC after Vatican I. Or put another way as the Gallacian Church sees themselves, they’re akin to the Church of England in the 1500’s.

Their main Church organization sold this particular parish church building to another Christian denomination, the Apostolic Catholic Church. Another non-Roman Catholic millenarian denomination that’s been in existence since 1835. It was founded by a gentleman named Edward Irving. This denomination has apparently not had any priests or bishops since the 1970’s when the last generation died out.

Main thrust of this post is that on investigation, this is not a “Catholic Church” in the sense that the press has attempted to portray it. This is a latter day Protestant church that sold its building to a Millennial Christian Church. And the Protestant church’s congregation is objecting to the sale years after the fact. The only ties either have to the RCC are that they have Catholic in their denominational name.

They reject the Catholic Church but named a church after a saint…?

 

[Padres1969]

They reject the Catholic Church but named a church after a saint…?

Ok so it appears the translation I was basing my last post on was incomplete and actually had some information reversed. And low and behold the story is even more complex (aren’t they always). The timeline and players are as follows (but it also helps explain why the church is named after a saint who wasn’t declared so until 1900 by the RCC):

Ok, the church building in question was built by the a fore mentioned Apostolic Catholic Church in 1900. That church purchased the land in 1898. They were in fact the original owners. The Apostolic Catholic Church being the millenarian denomination that’s been in existence since 1835 founded by Edward Irving that has not had any priests or bishops since the 1970’s when the last generation died out.

The Apostolic Catholic Church began allowing the Catholic Church of Gallicane (L’Eglise Catholique Gallicane) to use the church building starting in 1987. The Catholic Church of Gallicane being the mid 19th century Catholic breakaway started by Monseigneur Frangois Chattel that is not in communion with Rome. However in the early 2000’s the Apostolic Catholic Church began seeking to sell the property as their church is naturally dying out since they no longer have any bishops, priests, or deacons. They received a permit to allow their church building to be raised in 2011 from the local planning commission. This particular church is not covered by the 1905 Act and does not need to be preserved was the government’s ruling.

After a settlement convinced the Gallicane Church who had been using the building since 1987 to vacate and the church was closed in what appears to be April 2015 and the Apostolic Catholic Church moved forward with the long pending sale to secular interests (that had been on hold since 2012 it seems). The Gallicane Church had apparently been unable to pay their rent on the building to the Apostolic Catholic Church for some time.

However this is where it gets kind of odd, and where the Roman Catholic Church actually does come into play despite articles to the contrary (I’m going to use Roman Catholic in this post for clarity sake since all these other churches use Catholic in their names as well). It appears that as part of the opposition to this building being demolished, a far right wing French political party got involved at the behest of the local mayor, as did a traditionalist Roman Catholic society for apostolic life who the mayor invited in to say daily mass at the site, the Institute of the Good Shepherd. This Institute IS in full communion with Rome. It was they who began occupying the building in late 2015 in an attempt to block its destruction, and they who were ordered by the court to vacate in January, and who the courts ordered be forcibly evicted in May 2016. With the order being carried out as we dramatically saw on August 3rd.

The priest being dragged out was a Roman Catholic priest, Father William Tanoüarn and he was celebrating a valid Catholic mass when doing so if the reports of what was going on at the time he was being dragged out are to be believed. However they were not their at the behest of the church’s actual owner, and it appears they interjected themselves into a political and legal battle between the mayor of the area, the owners of the church building (the Apostolic Catholic Church), and the French courts. Which seems to have been ill advised since the mayor had no standing to invite them into a condemned and slated to be demolished church building.

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[Kaninchen]

Perhaps the answer is that interested people should crowdfund the purchase of the Church?