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[Huguenot]

katewithak:

Sola Scriptura is not something Cathoics can use, and I think youknow this already.

But it is what WE use all the time, and for me it might be even stronger than for those who were brought up in Protestantism, since I was brought up in an atheistic family and became a Christian by reading the Bible …
I know Catholics don’t believe in the Bible ONLY, I mean, you use other sources of spiritual authority, but you believe in the Bible TOO, so you can understand my point of view even if you don’t agree with me …
French Heretic

 

[exoflare]

“Reject a factious man after a first and second warning”

( New American Standard …sorry, the King James Version is a bit hard for a foreigner )
French Heretic

Funny, mine says “reject a heretic after a first and second warning”. I guess Protestant translations really have been watered down to suit their own fancy.

 

[JoeyWarren]

exoflare:

Funny, mine says “reject a heretic after a first and second warning”. I guess Protestant translations really have been watered down to suit their own fancy.

What’s even funnier is the “THE MESSAGE”.

That’s why I use the NAB,it is the second best transliteration where as the ESV is the best.

the problem with translations such as the KJV, is that you are at the mercy of the translator and how he took the context of the scripture.

 

[Huguenot]

exoflare:

Funny, mine says “reject a heretic after a first and second warning”. I guess Protestant translations really have been watered down to suit their own fancy.

I don’t know if “my” English translation is a “Protestant” one ; but for me it wouldn’t change anything if another version, in French or in English or in any other language ( you’ve aroused my curiosity, I’ll check in French Catholic translations and in the translations I have in other languages, but I don’t know if they are Catholic or Protestant translation, for one of the languages it may be an Orthodox one … ) because I don’t regard myself as a heretic even if I sign some of my messages that way : it is derisive …since my username means “French Protestant”, and since, according to this site, we’re heretics, it means that Protestant and heretic mean the same for the webmasters and for some of you, so it doesn’t change anything if I sign “French Heretic” instead of “French Protestant” ( or “Huguenot” …)
I was shocked when I saw on this site that we’re considered heretics by American Catholics because it isn’t the case in France where most of the population is Catholic, that’s why I decided to do something “with it” : but what ? should I cry, get angry or laugh ??? I’ve decided to …laugh !
anyway the problem is for YOU : YOU are supposed to reject me after one or two warnings …so if you want to go on talking with me, don’t “warn” me, because if you do, you won’t be allowed to talk with me any more …
If I am the heretic in the story, I can go on talking with every body if I want to …
French Heretic

 

[Huguenot]

JoeyWarren:

What’s even funnier is the “THE MESSAGE”.

That’s why I use the NAB,it is the second best transliteration where as the ESV is the best.

the problem with translations such as the KJV, is that you are at the mercy of the translator and how he took the context of the scripture.

What “message” are you talking about ???
I don’t know if I can find these translations in France, I didn’t “choose” the New American Standard, I just bought the translation I found …
If you mention different translations with their initials I have no idea of what it means, can you be more precise ? although I don’t know if I can find them in France ///
French Heretic

 

[JoeyWarren]

Huguenot:

What “message” are you talking about ???
I don’t know if I can find these translations in France, I didn’t “choose” the New American Standard, I just bought the translation I found …
If you mention different translations with their initials I have no idea of what it means, can you be more precise ? although I don’t know if I can find them in France ///
French Heretic

Same scripture but from “THE MESSAGE”

9 Stay away from mindless, pointless quarreling over genealogies and fine print in the law code. That gets you nowhere. 10 Warn a quarrelsome person once or twice, but then be done with him. 11 It’s obvious that such a person is out of line, rebellious against God. By persisting in divisiveness he cuts himself off.

 

[JoeyWarren]

Huguenot:

What “message” are you talking about ???
I don’t know if I can find these translations in France, I didn’t “choose” the New American Standard, I just bought the translation I found …
If you mention different translations with their initials I have no idea of what it means, can you be more precise ? although I don’t know if I can find them in France ///
French Heretic

INITIALS NAME

ASV American Standard Version
BBE The Bible in Basic English
CSB Holman Christian Standard Bible
DBY The Darby Translation
ESV English Standard Version
GWT GOD’S WORD Translation
KJV King James Version
NAB New American Bible
HNV Hebrew Names Version
NAS New American Standard
NCV New Century Version
NKJ New King James Version
NLT New Living Translation
NRS New Revised Standard
NSM NAS with Strong’s Numbers
RHE Douay-Rheims Bible
RSV Revised Standard Version
STR KJV with Strong’s Numbers
TEV Good News Translation
TMB Third Millennium Bible
VUL The Latin Vulgate
WBT The Webster Bible
WEB World English Bible
WNT Weymouth New Testament
YLT Young’s Literal Translation
The Message
The Complete Jewish Bible

just a few to mention

Catholics use the NAB, RHE, and sometimes the KJV that has the omitted books.

Hope this helps!

 

[Huguenot]

JoeyWarren:

Same scripture but from “THE MESSAGE”

9 Stay away from mindless, pointless quarreling over genealogies and fine print in the law code. That gets you nowhere. 10 Warn a quarrelsome person once or twice, but then be done with him. 11 It’s obvious that such a person is out of line, rebellious against God. By persisting in divisiveness he cuts himself off.

But what is this “MESSAGE” ? Is it the name of a translation of the Bible or what ???
Maybe it’s obvious for Americans but not for me here …
I’ve read the same passage in another ( French ) translation, it says “heretic” ; in yours it says “quarrelsome”…
It doesn’t change anything for me …
What surprises me is that here some Catholics, in their discussions with us, take it for granted that we are “dishonest”, that we mistranslate the Bible just to prove we are right and so on ; maybe American Protestants do the same with you, I don’t know …and I won’t be able to come to your country to check for a long time since we haven’t got the right biometric passports your authorities ask …
But here the basis of Protestant-Catholic discussions is different : both Catholics and Protestants assume that we’re all trying to do our best to seek and serve our common Lord…even if we don’t agree on everything …
Nobody has answer my question yet ; in France, there are a lot of common prayer meetings where Protestants and Catholics pray together, in my town, a year ago we organized a big Bible exhibition together, in some towns , Catholics , Protestants and Orthodox believers organized a “Bible reading” from Genesis to Revelation : it lasted one week, day and night somebody was reading Bible verses, hundreds of Christians of all churches took part in it …
I HOPE I am wrong, but from here I’ve got the feeling that such a thing is impossible in your country…or is it ???

 

[JoeyWarren]

Huguenot:

But what is this “MESSAGE” ? Is it the name of a translation of the Bible or what ???

Yes it is a new translation written from a 21st century verbage perspective. It is even more watered down in some places as noted above.

 

[JoeyWarren]

Huguenot, re-ask the question please.

 

[Huguenot]

JoeyWarren:

Yes it is a new translation written from a 21st century verbage perspective. It is even more watered down in some places as noted above.

I’ve never heard of it…

 

[Huguenot]

JoeyWarren:

Huguenot, re-ask the question please.

-Do American Catholics and Protestants sometimes pray together ???

 

[Huguenot]

JoeyWarren:

INITIALS NAME

ASV American Standard Version
BBE The Bible in Basic English
CSB Holman Christian Standard Bible
DBY The Darby Translation
ESV English Standard Version
GWT GOD’S WORD Translation
KJV King James Version
NAB New American Bible
HNV Hebrew Names Version
NAS New American Standard
NCV New Century Version
NKJ New King James Version
NLT New Living Translation
NRS New Revised Standard
NSM NAS with Strong’s Numbers
RHE Douay-Rheims Bible
RSV Revised Standard Version
STR KJV with Strong’s Numbers
TEV Good News Translation
TMB Third Millennium Bible
VUL The Latin Vulgate
WBT The Webster Bible
WEB World English Bible
WNT Weymouth New Testament
YLT Young’s Literal Translation
The Message
The Complete Jewish Bible

just a few to mention

Catholics use the NAB, RHE, and sometimes the KJV that has the omitted books.

Hope this helps!

I’ll tell you when I’ve tried to find some of these translations !!!
But I mostly read the Bible in French, it is easier for me …

Heretic Froggy

 

[Paris_Blues]

-Do American Catholics and Protestants sometimes pray together ???

Yes because when I go have dinner at my parent’s house - who are Protestant - we pray together.

Does that count?

 

[Huguenot]

Paris Blues:

Yes because when I go have dinner at my parent’s house - who are Protestant - we pray together.

Does that count?

Of course that counts !!! reading some of the messages here I had the feeling it was totally impossible …

 

[Paris_Blues]

Huguenot:

Of course that counts !!! reading some of the messages here I had the feeling it was totally impossible …

ANYTHING is possible with God!

 

[JoeyWarren]

-Do American Catholics and Protestants sometimes pray together ???

YES! I have been in some of these prayer groups. We have gotten together to pray at Abortion Clinics, we have prayed over the War in Iraq. But do we do this on a regular basis? Yes for the Ultreya gathering for the Catholics that have done their “Cursillio” and the Protestants that have done their “Emmaus Walk”.

BUT, you have to analyze the composition of the Protestants in the group. When you pour hot water and scrub away the camouflage, you will find out that the Protestants that are in the group are the ones that recognize Catholics as CHRISTIANS.

Now, certain Protestant denominations that believe the Catholic church is PAGAN and in some cases A SATANIC IMITATION will never recieve an invitation from Catholics to pray together. Unlike Catholics who would not even consider refusing a request to pray together on a giving issue or problem.

In my mind( I can’t speak for other Catholics ) I see these that would refuse an invitation would in true essence disobeying the “Golden Rule”…

Note: our mission church in the next town before they built their own church, they used an Episcopal church to hold service. The Pastor of that church then did not see it as a problem. But after a change of pastors at that church, the new pastor had a problem with the Catholic church using his, so the services had to be moved to the community center until the church was built. That catholic church that was built, afterwards, it offered a Baptist Church usage of our facilities to hold their service when their facilties burned to the ground even though the same Baptists were anti-Catholic. We excercised the “Golden Rule”. The question is, 15 years later, if that Catholic Church burned to the ground, would that same Baptist church offer us their facilities until we could rebuild? To hazard a guess, I would say NO!

I hope this explains a lot.

 

[exoflare]

Huguenot:

I don’t know if “my” English translation is a “Protestant” one ; but for me it wouldn’t change anything if another version, in French or in English or in any other language ( you’ve aroused my curiosity, I’ll check in French Catholic translations and in the translations I have in other languages, but I don’t know if they are Catholic or Protestant translation, for one of the languages it may be an Orthodox one … ) because I don’t regard myself as a heretic even if I sign some of my messages that way : it is derisive …since my username means “French Protestant”, and since, according to this site, we’re heretics, it means that Protestant and heretic mean the same for the webmasters and for some of you, so it doesn’t change anything if I sign “French Heretic” instead of “French Protestant” ( or “Huguenot” …)
I was shocked when I saw on this site that we’re considered heretics by American Catholics because it isn’t the case in France where most of the population is Catholic, that’s why I decided to do something “with it” : but what ? should I cry, get angry or laugh ??? I’ve decided to …laugh !
anyway the problem is for YOU : YOU are supposed to reject me after one or two warnings …so if you want to go on talking with me, don’t “warn” me, because if you do, you won’t be allowed to talk with me any more …
If I am the heretic in the story, I can go on talking with every body if I want to …
French Heretic

Oh, cry me a river…

Anyhow, nobody said you were a heretic but yourself. You’re wrong about all Protestants automatically being heretics, too, but deciding to refer to yourself as one doesn’t exactly refute this notion to begin with. Next time you want to know for real what a “heretic” is (or anything else for that matter), why don’t you try asking someone and spare us all the dramatics?

 

[Huguenot]

exoflare:

Oh, cry me a river…

Anyhow, nobody said you were a heretic but yourself. You’re wrong about all Protestants automatically being heretics, too, but deciding to refer to yourself as one doesn’t exactly refute this notion to begin with. Next time you want to know for real what a “heretic” is (or anything else for that matter), why don’t you try asking someone and spare us all the dramatics?

I’m not being dramatic, THIS site considers Protestantism as a heresy, it is listed along with Pelagianism or Catharism and so on !!!
But as I told you : I don’t really care …
won’t prevent me from sleeping as well as before …
Froggy

 

[Huguenot]

Paris Blues:

ANYTHING is possible with God!

I know !