At what cost, however? I know that the past doesn’t dictate the future but if you look at the historical record of the American government, both parties mind you, and of the Democrats specifically it doesn’t look very promising.
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What makes you think they’re otherwise? Because European leftist media make fun of Trump while relying on the U.S. for protection and bolstering the world economy?
Boris Johnson is a leftist now?
I don’t follow British politics. But I do know theirs seems to be an “off again, on again” relationship. Seems like the kind of thing a pair of sometimes competing businessmen or lawyers would have.
As a UK Conservative voter, the impression amongst my personal fellows is that Johnson recognises that the US is powerful, but also knows that Trump is an idiot. The alliance is only standing on respect for the office of the president whilst we wait for someone competent to take the reigns in November.ProVobis:
I don’t follow British politics. But I do know theirs seems to be an “off again, on again” relationship. Seems like the kind of thing a pair of sometimes competing businessmen or lawyers would have.
You said you don’t follow British politics, i’m just giving you some on the ground context which I thought may be of interest to you to fill some gaps. I am sure most Trump supporters wont find it persuasive - anything that doesn’t their narrative of Trump being America’s saviour is typically dismissed._Ruby:
Third party impressions?
Not persuasive.
I have found the opposite to be true in my experience._Ruby:
Keep in mind also that international news tends to get filtered through liberal sources. As an American, we tend to look to thr BBC/guardian to get british news, Der Spiegel to get German news, Asahi shimbun to get Japanese, etc. Similarly, many people from other countries get news about America as filtered through the New York Times.
This has the unfortunate consequence of having people in other countries get the pure liberal spin about political affairs. I know many international friends who hated Trump purely on what they heard in their country’s news. However, after seeing both sides of the coverage, they realized that much of what was said about Trump was merely hot air.
Now you’re rash judging his supporters from afar. But that’s okay. The more people realize that the disdain for Trump is actually disdain for those who support him, the clearer the situation will become. “Irredeemables”, “bitter clingers to their bibles”, people who “must change their religion” to accommodate abortion. Now and then the left actually lets the cat out of the bag.
I actually think its more complex than that. The disdain is for Trump, but it get muddied. Trump is pretty much the personification of all the negative attributes people have about Americans in general (ignorant, loud, brash, vulgar, arrogant, uncultured, petty, childish etc etc). Its similar to the reaction Bush got from international quarters because he played into the ‘stupid American’ stereotype, but the rest of him was generally palatable. Trump doesn’t have the luxury of other redeeming personality traits
Not really. Americans always overblow how much the ‘pro life’ agenda features in international thinking. Most people outside the US don’t really care at all about it one way or another. The faith part is seen as more of a strange quirk of US politics/society. Outside of the US, people don’t hate Trump because he is religious - the general thought is that he just uses faith as a cheap way to win votes, I would actually be hard pressed to find anyone in my (local) world who even really believes he actually holds any kind of genuine religious convictions.
Getting rid of ISIS ought to be worth something. Keeping Russia from owning you ought to be. Pushing the Germans to bear the fair share your country pays ought to be a positive “trait”.
This is so typical of the disdain liberal Europeans have for Americans of traditional beliefs and ways. But we’ll continue to keep you speaking English instead of Russian just as we prevented you from being Germans twice.
I think we know it means little to most Europeans. More’s the pity. European faithlessness will make it all the more difficult for Americans to save you when Islam takes over most of Europe.
I mean, not really. Bush was far far more traditional and conservative than the administration you have now, and we was regarded as someone with very genuine faith. He didn’t garner much disdain for being a man of faith, it was the ‘stupid’ reputation that caused most the problem, plus the war in general wasn’t great PR for him either.
Ah yes, That old chestnut.
Which, of course, you don’t know.
And mocked for it.
Don’t worry. We’ll let you come here when the time comes despite the disdain. I expect you’ll feel differently then.
Do you disagree? Id be interested to hear your perspective.
Oh yes, quite heavily mocked, but not disdained for it. No argument from me against the fact Trump attracts pure disdain, he certainly does, and it certainly spills over to his supporters for various reasons. But to think its just a case of ‘its because we are so religious and prolife and traditional’ is a little like focussing on a lit cigarette in the midst of a burning building - missing the bigger picture, you know?
Don’t worry. We’ll let you come here when the time comes despite the disdain. I expect you’ll feel differently then.
ill start going to the gym in preparation.A distinction without difference.
On the contrary. Obama spoke disparagingly of the “bitter clingers” before Trump was a candidate. It’s the other way around. His supporters are disdained for their religiousness and traditions, and it spills over to Trump because that’s what a lot of his supporters are and his policies reflect that.
No point in that. We allowed millions of Europeans in this country before when you couldn’t stand living in your own countries. And we’ll likely do it again.
Typical European elitism.
