Immaculate Conception for everyone?

[joecaro]

Sorry, but you are totally wrong! God imposed Original Sin on mankind beginning with Adam and Eve after they broke their faith with God. Original Sin stayed with mankind until the highest sacrifice possible could remove it - the sacrifice Jesus made, especially to please God, who then removed Original Sin, which allowed all souls to enter heaven.
You should again read (and understand) Genesis.

 

[Vico]

What made Mary different? Like why was she able to not sin? Could she have sinned if she tried or was it not possible?

All persons or angels, from the state of sanctifying grace, are capable of avoiding all mortal sin. She was preserved from the stain of original sin, which means she was conceived in a state of grace.

 

[Vico]

Hi guys,

If God saw it just to make Our Lady’s conception immaculate, why couldn’t he do that for all or many other humans to help them in being preserved from sin?

Do you know the answer or do you have a resource that may contain the answer?

Catechism of the Catholic Church

1730 God created man a rational being, conferring on him the dignity of a person who can initiate and control his own actions. "God willed that man should be ‘left in the hand of his own counsel,’ so that he might of his own accord seek his Creator and freely attain his full and blessed perfection by cleaving to him."26

Man is rational and therefore like God; he is created with free will and is master over his acts.27

26 Gaudium et Spes 17; Sir 15:14.
27 St. Irenaeus, Adv. haeres. 4,4,3G 7/1,983.

1870 “God has consigned all men to disobedience, that he may have mercy upon all” ( Rom 11:32).

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

I will totally obey your every command

 

[Inbonum]

Actually you are wrong. If your statement that

Original Sin stayed with mankind until the highest sacrifice possible could remove it - the sacrifice Jesus made, especially to please God, who then removed Original Sin, which allowed all souls to enter heaven
would be correct then we wouldn’t need Baptism which erases Original Sin in soul. Since your statement is incorrect we need Baptism as every man needs it to have erased Original Sin from soul.

Catechism of Catholic Church on that:

1263 By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin.66 In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam’s sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.

1264 Yet certain temporal consequences of sin remain in the baptized, such as suffering, illness, death, and such frailties inherent in life as weaknesses of character, and so on, as well as an inclination to sin that Tradition calls concupiscence , or metaphorically, “the tinder for sin” (fomes peccati) ; since concupiscence "is left for us to wrestle with, it cannot harm those who do not consent but manfully resist it by the grace of Jesus Christ."67 Indeed, "an athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules."68
https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a1.htm

If there wouldn’t be consequences of Original Sin then we wouldn’t fall into sinns during life and wouldn’t need Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Jesus came and won over death, world and Devil, He opened doors of Heaven and reconciled us with Father. But we have to keep going in life with cooperation with God’s grace until death and then we will receive a garland of glory.

 

[joecaro]

**First things first . . . . your church attachment is correct!~ But you should have known that Baptism did NOT forgive Original Sin . . . Jesus’s sacrifice did. After God forgave EVERYONE (**Baptized or not) Original Sin by the sacrifice of His son Jesus, only then did baptism forgive as the church teaches. You must ask yourself, if Original Sin was forgiven by Baptism, and John the Baptist (who Baptized **Jesus) would have been called the redeemer. Then, why did Jesus make His ultimate sacrifice to God? **

Baptism DID NOT have any bearing on erasing Original Sin, Jesus Christ was the S****acrificial Lamb to please God, and remove Original Sin from mankind. I know what the church states about Baptism, as it does remove sins as a person is “born again” but Baptism was practiced for years BEFORE Jesus made His ultimate sacrifice to remove Original Sin, yet Original Sin still existed. The church states that (in so many words) there remains a “removable” Original Sin cleansed by Baptism. I find the dichotomy interesting, don’t you?

**Did you know that ANYONE can **Baptize a person?

Prayers,

JC

In a message dated 4/30/2020 5:34:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, catholic_forums@discoursemail.com writes:

 

[Gorgias]

God imposed Original Sin on mankind beginning with Adam and Eve after they broke their faith with God.

No. Please re-read Genesis 3. The punishments imposed by God on Adam and Eve there aren’t “original sin”; they’re the punishments for the actual sin of Adam. “Original sin” refers to sin by analogy, not actual sin. So, God did not “impose Original Sin on … Adam and Eve”. He imposed punishment for actual sin on them. God does not impose punishment for Adam and Eve’s actual sin on us; the consequences of that sin – that is, what is called ‘original sin’ – is what we inherit as by propagation.

 

[Gorgias]

you should have known that Baptism did NOT forgive Original Sin . . . Jesus’s sacrifice did.

Hmm… ever read 1 Peter? “baptism, which saves you now” (1 Pet 3:21).

(Yes, baptism only comes about following Jesus’ sacrifice and the establishment of His Church, but still…)

After God forgave EVERYONE (** Baptized or not) Original Sin by the sacrifice of His son Jesus

Oh no. No no no. Jesus’ sacrifice did not “forgive [the] Original Sin [of] everyone”. That’s not at all what the Church teaches!

You must ask yourself, if Original Sin was forgiven by Baptism, and John the Baptist (who Baptized **Jesus) would have been called the redeemer.

John the Baptist did not perform the Sacrament of Baptism. Paul points this out in Acts 19:

[Paul] said to [the disciples in Ephesus], “Did you receive the holy Spirit when you became believers?” They answered him, “We have never even heard that there is a holy Spirit.”

He said, “How were you baptized?” They replied, “With the baptism of John.”

Paul then said, “John baptized with a baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, in Jesus.”

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul laid [his] hands on them, the holy Spirit came upon them.

Baptism was practiced for years BEFORE Jesus made His ultimate sacrifice to remove Original Sin, yet Original Sin still existed

That’s because it wasn’t the sacrament of baptism that pre-existed Jesus’ passion, death, and resurrection. They were merely ceremonial washings, for various purposes.

The church states that (in so many words) there remains a “removable” Original Sin cleansed by Baptism.

No… the Church states quite clearly that original sin is forgiven, but some consequences – not ‘original sin’ itself – remain. From the catechism:

1263 By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam’s sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.

1264 Yet certain temporal consequences of sin remain in the baptized, such as suffering, illness, death, and such frailties inherent in life as weaknesses of character, and so on.