Immaculate Conception

[Luth123]

Your answer is hard to make sense from. The Gospel of Mary is that of Mary Magdalene, I suppose? Jesus’ mother didn’t write a Gospel, as far as I know, except for her contribution to the Gospel of Luke, which is significant.

You suggested that the Apostles must have known Mary was sinless, if she were, as though they knew everything there is to know. I don’t agree.

Yes the Gospel of Mary (Magdalene) is a different person then mother of Jesus. The point was that not all was revealed to the Apostles. Sorry for the confusion I should have picked a different example from uncanonized literature.

I never stated the Apostles must have known Mary was sinless.

 

[aemcpa]

It not an issue of not honoring Jesus’s mother. She will always be remembered as a mother figure for Christianity even in Protestant denominations. It’s an issue of the amount of focus given to Mary when the main focus should be Jesus and his message.

The only ones focusing too much on Mary are her detractors. True devotion to Mary leads only to a deeper, purer and fuller love of Jesus Christ. You say “the main focus should be Jesus and his message”; the Catholic Church responds, “I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.”

 

[chero23]

You mention how the angel Raphael, tells Mary in the gospel of Luke, hail, full of grace. Now if you make memory, he is greeting her as royalty. If you then look at mark 15:18, were the Israelites call Jesus while he’s on the cross, hail, king of the Jews.

You see the connection? The archangel Raphael told Mary, hail bc god himself told him to treat her as royalty. Which btw, when you greeted royalty, you had to do by coming down to one knee, stretching your right hand out and your head down.

 

[aemcpa]

The Holy Spirit continues leading the Church to all truth even today. We are not abandoned. It is not a dogma of the Church that divine revelatoin ended with the Apostles. Not at all.

Have you read Dei Verbum?

 

[Luth123]

The only ones focusing too much on Mary are her detractors. True devotion to Mary leads only to a deeper, purer and fuller love of Jesus Christ. You say “the main focus should be Jesus and his message”; the Catholic Church responds, “I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.”

I walk into my wife’s Catholic Church and I see no image of Christ other than as an infant being held by Mary. This has nothing to do with being a detractor, but a very simple observation even my 3 year old son has commented.

He actually asked why Jesus is a baby in Mommy’s church and Jesus is an old man in Daddy’s church. I told him just like you were a baby and now you are toddler …Jesus was a baby, toddler, teenager , a young man and finally an old man.

 

[bsroufek]

Have you read Dei Verbum?

From Dei Verbum, I quote:

“For as the centuries succeed one another, the Church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth until the words of God reach their complete fulfillment in her.”

Now, am I using the wrong term, Divine Revelation to mean that God’s Truths are ever being revealed to us? I may stand corrected in terminology.

 

[MartinJordan]

I walk into my wife’s Catholic Church and I see no image of Christ other than as an infant being held by Mary. This has nothing to do with being a detractor, but a very simple observation even my 3 year old son has commented.

He actually asked why Jesus is a baby in Mommy’s church and Jesus is an old man in Daddy’s church. I told him just like you were a baby and now you are toddler …Jesus was a baby, toddler, teenager , a young man and finally an old man.

No Crucifix in the Catholic Church?

MJ

 

[aemcpa]

I walk into my wife’s Catholic Church and I see no image of Christ other than as an infant being held by Mary. This has nothing to do with being a detractor, but a very simple observation even my 3 year old son has commented.

He actually asked why Jesus is a baby in Mommy’s church and Jesus is an old man in Daddy’s church. I told him just like you were a baby and now you are toddler …Jesus was a baby, toddler, teenager , a young man and finally an old man.

You don’t see a crucifix? You don’t see a tabernacle in the center of the church? (Granted, the tabernacle is no image of Christ, but contains Christ Himself.)

If you don’t see these things, then I suggest that your wife look for a new parish where Christ is actually preached.

 

[EvangelCatholic]

You don’t see a crucifix? You don’t see a tabernacle in the center of the church? (Granted, the tabernacle is no image of Christ, but contains Christ Himself.)

If you don’t see these things, then I suggest that your wife look for a new parish where Christ is actually preached.

Tabernacles are often in side chapels in many Catholic churches; rarely behind the altar like it used to be.

 

[Luth123]

No Crucifix in the Catholic Church?

MJ

Just a very big cross with no image of Jesus at the main alter. I was shocked also when I first walked in. There are the Stations of the Cross on the side walls of church but that is it. The largest statute is of Mary holding the infant Jesus.

 

[aemcpa]

Tabernacles are often in side chapels in many Catholic churches; rarely behind the altar like it used to be.

My advice stands.

 

[MartinJordan]

Just a very big cross with no image of Jesus at the main alter. I was shocked also when I first walked in. There are the Stations of the Cross on the side walls of church but that is it. The largest statute is of Mary holding the infant Jesus.

Name of Parish pls if you don’t mind?

MJ

 

[Luth123]

Name of Parish pls if you don’t mind?

MJ

I just asked my wife if there was ever a crucifix at the main alter. She said the crucifix was taken down for repairs and is supposed to be up for next Saturday’s mass. Sorry to get you all stirred up. Anyway it did make me feel better about the church.

 

[MartinJordan]

I just asked my wife if there was ever a crucifix at the main alter. She said the crucifix was taken down for repairs and is supposed to be up for next Saturday’s mass. Sorry to get you all stirred up. Anyway it did make me feel better about the church.

Phew!

MJ

 

[Bklynguy]

Why has the church always taught that Mary was in need of Christ as her Savior if she never sinned. Christ died to be a propitiation for sin and He paid the penality for our sin and satisfied the debt so the sinner could be reconciled to God.

Because Mary was born sinless through God’s work, not her own–that is why she can say God is her savior.