Immigration Rallies Planned Nationwide

[Verisimilitude]

The last time I was in Nogalas,about two years ago, there were a lot of English signs. Granted it is a boarder town. Maybe that’s why.
Kim

I was there about 20 years ago.

But Baltimore and Denver, and Los Angeles are not border towns.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

What documentation would you like for people standing up for themselves and throwing off oppresive governments? Are you denying the American Revolution, or the French or English?

How should I document that freedom isn’t free?

Shall I let you talk to my wife?

People dying to get here?
azstarnet.com/sn/border/178035

Othe than Mexicans crossing the border?
worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24987

Statistics are kept of those apprehended near the southern border who are “Other Than Mexicans” or “OTM’s”. The number of OTM’s apprehended near the southern border has been clearly and dramatically increasing from 28,598 in 2000 to 65,814 in 2004.
globalsecurity.org/security/systems/mexico-wall.htm

The OTM’s have come from some places as Iraq, Iran, Syria and other terrorist sponsoring countries.
rlsinternationalsecurity.com/sites/southernborder.html

Jobs leaving the US?
HERSHEY, Pa. (AP) — Hershey (HSY) is cutting 1,500 jobs over three years as part of a plan to scale back production and move some manufacturing to Mexico, the candy maker announced Thursday.
usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2007-02-15-hershey-cuts_x.htm

Illegals not assimilating, not wanting to?
Most of these immigrants are poor, uneducated, and are unable to speak our language. Many do not want to assimilate and become American citizens.
itsyourtimes.com/?q=node/1995

Crowded classrooms due to illegals?
csmonitor.com/2004/0326/p01s02-ussc.html

Emergency rooms?
findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4351/is_200409/ai_n15194517

Now you properly document for me the benefit to open borders, the rising cost of healthcare due to tens of millions of illegals in America, the exploding costs for public services picked up by leagal citizens.

Seems you forgot a few things (an added many new things) this is typical of people sharing your stance. I probably have seen much of what you posted I’ll review it later. Odds are it lacks proper documentation, typical “is quoted from” is the source- no factual data usually appears. IF you are interested I spent quite a bit of time researching many false claims on this subject. (look under Nobel Prize winners send letter to President) Soon we will see if yours fit that category or not. I would like to see you document the first set of accusations. Once we analyze the first set I would be happy to help you analyze my accusations.

 

[st_lucy]

I really hate to see threads like this that only land up putting horrible accusation on another group of people. This is how hate starts and I really don’t wont to see a lot of good Christians going down this road.

This talk about immigration which is usually only focused on the Mexican culture is only leading to hate and an excuse by other hate groups to persecute them. A while back I posted a news article about the KKK’s hatred for illegals. Not surprising that post got little feed back.

Here is a link to it if you are interested.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=132708

Lets not forget that we are all children of God and we should start to act like it. We are very fortunate to live here in the US and there is much suffering going on in Mexico. We have no idea of what these people are having to do to save their families. Lets stop assuming that they are all hard core criminals, and start to think of them as people who need help.

 

[Teelynn]

We have admitted millions and will continue to do so. But what about obeying the law while it is done? We can assimilate just so many immigrants before our own economy is damaged. And I really don’t appreciate people who come here illegally and then demand automatic citizenship. I think many of us are very compassionate, but at what point should compassion give way to realism?

I do believe we are at or will be very soon at the saturation point. They had the chance for amnesty and alot of them didn’t bother, so what…now they are screaming for reform?

 

[Verisimilitude]

Seems you forgot a few things (an added many new things) this is typical of people sharing your stance. I probably have seen much of what you posted I’ll review it later. Odds are it lacks proper documentation, typical “is quoted from” is the source- no factual data usually appears. IF you are interested I spent quite a bit of time researching many false claims on this subject. (look under Nobel Prize winners send letter to President) Soon we will see if yours fit that category or not. I would like to see you document the first set of accusations. Once we analyze the first set I would be happy to help you analyze my accusations.

More typical are pro open-border types that refuse to accept common generalizations like the fact that illegal immigrants raise the cosat of healtcare for legal citizens. You will reject a story from Fox News because they are perceived biased while never acknowledging the data in the story.

My wife works in a hospital, in fact has worked in many across the country and each has the same story. Should I post the hospitals cost/data sheets for you to review to show how the inequity of patients with insurance vs without, in relation to legal citizens vs illegal.

More typical again are rejection of stories that a school is over crowded by students of illegal parents that do not speak the language, and require by law extraordinary measures taken to give them - the illegal students and/or children of illegal parents (repeal the 14th Amendment) an education at the expense of legal residents.

I don’t care if you are a nobel winner, Texas Roofer, nothing you can say, present or argue will refute the facts that the influx of tens of thousands of illegal, non-citizen people every year, are taking advantage of laws not meant for them, and breaking laws the rest of us follow at the expense of American citizens who also need these services.

If American citizens are required to have a valid ID, valid drivers liscense, vehicle insurance…to drive, go to school, work, own a home or business…then non citizens should be required to obey the laws too, but they don’t. A matricula card by a foreign government is not a valid ID as they cannot be verified. Learning the language of the country that is providing these services for free should be a moral responsibility instead of an immoral choice to demand America changes to suit them.

I supported valid points. If you think something is invalid in any of these, point it out with supporting documents that it is unfair instead of “you don’t buy it”. So what if you don’t accept it. If you think something has been missed or added…point it out. You ask for specifrics without providing any yourself. That is typical of people who want to continue the illegal trade of human trafficing in the name of feel good politics.

 

[mary_bobo]

I do believe we are at or will be very soon at the saturation point. They had the chance for amnesty and alot of them didn’t bother, so what…now they are screaming for reform?

And they were given amnesty some years ago and what happened? More and more can and trampled on our laws and enjoyed the largese of the US while some citizens were denied the same. It is not right any way you slice it.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

More typical are pro open-border types that refuse to accept common generalizations like the fact that illegal immigrants raise the cosat of healtcare for legal citizens. You will reject a story from Fox News because they are perceived biased while never acknowledging the data in the story.

My wife works in a hospital, in fact has worked in many across the country and each has the same story. Should I post the hospitals cost/data sheets for you to review to show how the inequity of patients with insurance vs without, in relation to legal citizens vs illegal.

More typical again are rejection of stories that a school is over crowded by students of illegal parents that do not speak the language, and require by law extraordinary measures taken to give them - the illegal students and/or children of illegal parents (repeal the 14th Amendment) an education at the expense of legal residents.

I don’t care if you are a nobel winner, Texas Roofer, nothing you can say, present or argue will refute the facts that the influx of tens of thousands of illegal, non-citizen people every year, are taking advantage of laws not meant for them, and breaking laws the rest of us follow at the expense of American citizens who also need these services.

If American citizens are required to have a valid ID, valid drivers liscense, vehicle insurance…to drive, go to school, work, own a home or business…then non citizens should be required to obey the laws too, but they don’t. A matricula card by a foreign government is not a valid ID as they cannot be verified. Learning the language of the country that is providing these services for free should be a moral responsibility instead of an immoral choice to demand America changes to suit them.

I supported valid points. If you think something is invalid in any of these, point it out with supporting documents that it is unfair instead of “you don’t buy it”. So what if you don’t accept it. If you think something has been missed or added…point it out. You ask for specifrics without providing any yourself. That is typical of people who want to continue the illegal trade of human trafficing in the name of feel good politics.

And the documentation shows ?

 

[Verisimilitude]

And the documentation shows ?

Which one didn’t you like? It’s not an accusation if it’s fact.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

And they were given amnesty some years ago and what happened? More and more can and trampled on our laws and enjoyed the largese of the US while some citizens were denied the same. It is not right any way you slice it.

I thought the premise behind Reagan’s amnesty plan was to start over. It would be a fresh start if the government would have made an attempt to close the border at that time…which they did not and so what is going to happen is every 20 years we will have another amnesty to allow millions more lawbreakers to have what they are not entitled to in the first place.

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Sometimes the best way to understand a contentious issue is to ask questions. These are mine:

Why do these people come here?

How can the average person get here legally?

What are the economic advantages or disadvantages of allowing them to remain or forcibly removing them?QUOTE]

It really doesn’t matter why they come here. This country is not responsible for giving them a good life…we are not responsible for doing that for our own citizens.

I think our immigration system seems to be quite lenient. There are more and more people born elsewhere coming here…so it must not be THAT hard to enter this country legally. Sure, you may have to abide by rules and jump through hoops but you are asking to be allowed into another country for the purpose of becoming a citizen. It should be more stringent than it is…IMO.

They will not be forcibly removed, because for one thing, the cost is too high. They will all assert their “rights” which will bog down the system…they will cry to the media about how mistreated they are…how their children are going to suffer (does anyone give any thought to little American kids whose parents are headed off to jail)…and the politicians will feel the backlash from the immigrant community.

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

A bus ticket to where? Will you ship many of them all the way to South America? Again, not everyone coming through Mexico is Mexican. Is it only Mexicans we are picking on, or will you ship back all the Hatians and Cubans as well? While we’re at it, what about the Irish, and Italians, Jamacians, Viet Namiese, and Chinese. How about all the Sudanese refugees? Some melting pot, huh?
Kim

Are the Irish, Italians, Jamaicans etc…coming here illegally? How about the Sudanese…are they coming here illegally?

:heart:Blyss

 

[Verisimilitude]

And the documentation shows ?

Which one didn’t you like? It’s not an accusation if it’s fact.

 

[seekerz]

seekerz;2168860:

Sometimes the best way to understand a contentious issue is to ask questions. These are mine:

Why do these people come here?

How can the average person get here legally?

What are the economic advantages or disadvantages of allowing them to remain or forcibly removing them?QUOTE]

It really doesn’t matter why they come here. This country is not responsible for giving them a good life…we are not responsible for doing that for our own citizens.

I think our immigration system seems to be quite lenient. There are more and more people born elsewhere coming here…so it must not be THAT hard to enter this country legally. Sure, you may have to abide by rules and jump through hoops but you are asking to be allowed into another country for the purpose of becoming a citizen. It should be more stringent than it is…IMO.

They will not be forcibly removed, because for one thing, the cost is too high. They will all assert their “rights” which will bog down the system…they will cry to the media about how mistreated they are…how their children are going to suffer (does anyone give any thought to little American kids whose parents are headed off to jail)…and the politicians will feel the backlash from the immigrant community.

:heart:Blyss

I think it does matter why they come here because if we are somehow contributing to it as a nation we need to be aware of that.

It also does matter what the legal process is: could it be that there are few or no ways that field laborers without family ties to citizens can enter this country legally? Don’t know…I’m just asking. I’m not sure that the Jamaicans, Somalians etc who come here legally are quite in the same socio-economic bracket.

I don’t think anyone has a right to come here demanding anything, but it would be kind of unfair that people keep saying: go home, wait in line and come legally to those who do not have the option of doing so. It probably would be more honest and straightforward to say: sorry, no room.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Well lets try to find something extremely simple to start with, how about you show one of these “invitations” you keep referring to did you say your wife has one?

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

BlyssfulDreamer;2180076:

II don’t think anyone has a right to come here demanding anything, but it would be kind of unfair that people keep saying: go home, wait in line and come legally to those who do not have the option of doing so. It probably would be more honest and straightforward to say: sorry, no room.

Then we need to say NO MORE ROOM!! We have millions of our citizens who do not have health insurance…we have plenty of our own living in extreme poverty…people who are ill and do not have the money for their medicines…

Are the illegals of today going to be the Social Security recipient of tomorrow? Weirder things have happened…

It is not unfair to make people who came here illegally go back home and then try to return through legal means…but they won’t. They are in our face and think…“What are we going to do about it?”

You know what is unfair…millions coming into this country who do not have ANY right to be here…flying their homeland flags, speaking their native tongues and making demands of us. THAT is unfair…IMO

:heart:Blyss

 

[Verisimilitude]

Well lets try to find something extremely simple to start with, how about you show one of these “invitations” you keep referring to did you say your wife has one?

Sure. 10 years before we met she filed for a visa to America. It was accepted. The accepted application and legal permission to enter the US was the invitation.

 

[Goth_Catholic]

I’m glad my great great great grandparents were illegal french immigrants.

I have more to say but there’s mass in the morning

 

[Verisimilitude]

I’m glad my great great great grandparents were illegal french immigrants.

I have more to say but there’s mass in the morning

Yes, 8:30 mass.

Are you sure he was illegal? If the law didn’t exist before he got here he broke no law.

Naturalization Act of 1790 Stipulated that “any alien, being a free white person, may be admitted to become a citizen of the United States”
1875 Supreme Court declared that regulation of US immigration is the responsibility of the Federal Government.
…
1891 The Federal Government assumed the task of inspecting, admitting, rejecting, and processing all immigrants seeking admission to the U.S.
1892 On January 2, a new Federal US immigration station opened on Ellis Island in New York Harbor.
1903 This Act restated the 1891 provisions concerning land borders and called for rules covering entry as well as inspection of aliens crossing the Mexican border.
1907 The US immigration Act of 1907 reorganized the states bordering Mexico (Arizona, New Mexico and a large part of Texas) into Mexican Border District to stem the flow of immigrants into the U.S.
…
1924 Act Reduced the number of US immigration visas and allocated them on the basis of national origin.
1940 The Alien Registration Act required all aliens (non-U.S. citizens) within the United States to register with the Government and receive an Alien Registration Receipt Card (the predecessor of the “green card”).
1950 Passage of the Internal Security Act which rendered the Alien Registration Receipt Card even more valuable. Immigrants with legal status had their cards replaced with what generally became known as the “green card” (Form I-151).
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1968 Act Eliminated US immigration discrimination based on race, place of birth, sex and residence. It also officially abolished restrictions on Oriental US immigration.
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1986 Act Focused on curtailing illegal US immigration. It legalized hundred of thousands of illegal immigrants. It also introduced the employer sanctions program which fines employers for hiring illegal workers. It also passed tough laws to prevent bogus marriage fraud.
1990 Act Established an annual limit for certain categories of immigrants. It was aimed at helping U.S. businesses attract skilled foreign workers; thus, it expanded the business class categories to favor persons who can make educational, professional or financial contributions. It created the Immigrant Investor Program.
USA Patriot Act 2001 : Uniting and Strengthening America by providing appropriate tools required to intercept and obstruct terrorism
Creation of the USCIS 2003 : As of March 1, 2003, the US immigration and Naturalization Service becomes part of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The department’s new U.S. Citizenship and US immigration Services (USCIS) function is to handle US immigration services and benefits, including citizenship, applications for permanent residence, non-immigrant applications, asylum, and refugee services. US immigration enforcement functions are now under the Department’s Border and Transportation Security Directorate, known as the Bureau of US immigration and Customs Enforcement (BICE)

 

[Goth_Catholic]

:banghead: Darn.

somewhere between 1837 and 1839 (Don’t know the exact date just know that the child of theirs born in 1837 was born in France and the one born in 1839 was born in New York).

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Sure. 10 years before we met she filed for a visa to America. It was accepted. The accepted application and legal permission to enter the US was the invitation.

Let us be clear who initiated her or the US government?