Immodesty and the lack of respect for women - two sides of the same coin.

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BlueSprite said:
Hi mommamaree,

My apologies…I thought people were railing on you for being pregnant or making you feel uncomfortable about it - so I got a little defensive. :rolleyes: And yes I did realize that was you in the pic and I thought you looked very cute! Good luck to you and your family - how exciting! 🙂

Oh, and I did NOT get the joke about the shark suits…that went totally over my head. I should have read the thread better. 😊

Maybe I’m getting too worked up over this whole thing. Time to chill-out. :coolinoff:
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That is no problem BlueSprite! I just didn’t want you getting the wrong impression about what I or others were saying here today. Someone else had mentioned the Speedo thing as an analogy to bikinis, so I just took the idea and ran with it a bit, just having some fun with the idea that men can be ogled at and objectified the same as women, you know? But it was all tongue-in-cheek. I, and many others, can enjoy sporting events such as swimming or gymnastics where suits and leotards do not cover so much, and just enjoy the athletic excellence that is on display. 🙂

And thanks for the well wishes for me and my family. That is very kind of you. 😃
 
But I know thing we can agree on is that banana hammocks for men are not sexy! 😛
 
I’m a little tired of the too-hasty-to-judge attitudes of those who claim they are being judged…as well as the joking manner when immodesty in dress is indeed a grave and serious offense today. Praying for all of you.

Unsubscribing. God Bless.:gopray:

As I bow out, I think of the simple and profound words of St. Bernadette Soubirous, “The Lady didn’t ask me to convince you; she only wanted me to tell you…”
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
Well, this isn’t really how Mary dressed on earth either. It’s an artistic rendition of Mary as Queen of Heaven. I’m sure Our Lady had simple clothing, not many garments, she was not wealthy. I’m sure her clothing was modest.

As for the other woman, would anyone care what I see?

I see a beautiful woman, who because is beautiful perhaps wanted to be a model. She didn’t end up as a top fashion model (I don’t recognize her), but models lower tiered items. She posed for a tank top ad, a jeans ad, maybe a hair product ad. The photographer shot lots of pictures, getting this one we see. The photographer coaxed her, “Look this way, look that.”

I see a woman, who perhaps sees her self worth only tied to her looks.

I’m not sure I see a woman that is thinking, “I will not serve…” 😦 The only thing I know about her is she wore a small tank-top and jeans and had her picture taken.

I see a child of God, who God loves as much as he loves me.
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awww… you’re absolutely beautiful for posting that.

Tax Payer!!! 😃
 
lil_flower_luv said:
I’m sorry if I ever implied I would judge you.😦 And I’m sorry it has gotten to the point where you would make such an assumption about me.

I do not think you are a hoochie nor would I ever jump to such a conclusion.
God bless.
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It’s ok honey. I forgave you after your first post 👍

Boy, this topic gets heated eh? (yeah, I’m Canadian…eh?)
 
Ailina said:
Oh really? Generalizing is better, because it’s better to gloss over the truth that actually point out that there are plenty of men who are not worthy of the title “Husband”? I think you might be stretching the facts there, my dear.

How about those countries where women are covered from head to foot, yet still face abuse and disrespect? I know for a fact that women here fare much better than there.
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Alina, let me stick up for him for a second. This man is very pro-women. His wife left him for no good reason, made lies about him and now he only sees his children every other week for a few hours. He’s in a very messy situation.

Girls without fathers grow up feeling empty. As a result, they tend to look for attention from men = immodest actions and dress. He’s coming from a different angle and he’s right you know…if you re-read his post with an open mind, you’ll see it.

What you went through was terrible. I am glad you got out. Who can live like that?

CSFB - he’s talking about a good percentage of situations where women leave a good man who then becomes a part-time father. It’s a virus in our society. People want instant gratification. If there husband becomes boring, they move on.

This is not you. You were in an abusive situation and good for you for getting out.
 
StFrancisXavier said:
Lil Flower does make valid points though, of which I agree. 😃
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I’m sorry Lil_Flower left this thread. This thread is becoming very Darwin. People get fed up and leave and us powerhouses keep on ticking 😛

I also agree with Lil_Flower a lot too.
 
Serap said:
I’m sorry Lil_Flower left this thread. This thread is becoming very Darwin. People get fed up and leave and us powerhouses keep on ticking 😛

I also agree with Lil_Flower a lot too.
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Since I am a man, I am the powerhouse. Fix a sandwich now. 😛

Flame suit on. 😃
 
C_S_P_B said:
There are plenty of women that instigate a divorce with no valid reason. The elimination of No-Fault divorce does not eliminate divorce or the option for anyone to separate.

I guess this is the reason that women do not challenge other women in REAL LIFE. Feelings are involved you never know when any particular woman will be hurt and use her personal experience to justify broad applications for society. I have no idea what you are talking about here.

No one, man or woman wants to wade into this emotional morass. But you see, I generalize, so I don’t care if I step on some toes. I care about what is best for society and fathers need to be in the home. Your personal situation does not negate that fact.

To extrapolate your justification, 50% of men are unfaithful and hooking up with whatever loose women they can find. This conclusion would defy reason.

My guess is that after your emotional outburst, no other women will be willing to address my post. It is often viewed as condescending if a particular woman’s feelings are hurt. It is quite easy to think men are the problem, but woe to any that stray from this in unapproved ways.]Emotional outburst? Do you belittle most woman who might challenge your generalizations by telling them they are “emotional” and having an “outburst”? How on earth can you possibly know what I am feeling? (Incredulous at your posts, if you want me to be truthful).
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:rolleyes:

The condition of Islamic women neither proves or disproves anything.

The condition of Islamic women shows that no matter how modestly dressed, some men and societies will find a way to disrespect women. I mention the Islamic women because of the title of this thread: “**Immodesty and the Lack of Respect for Women: Two Sides of the Same Coin.”
** The more women cover themselves, the more invisible they become, the less power they have over their own lives. It is too simplistic to think that modest dress will automatically mean respect.

I agree fathers are important to the family. However, there are far too many fathers who have not grown out of adolescence, and all that entails. Perhaps fathers should be shamed too, as much as the divorced mothers. In the good old days before divorce was legal, there certainly were many abandoned wives left to raise the kids. I’m not sure there is such a thing as “the good old days” where families were wonderful in their abilities to get along, actually. I certainly have heard otherwise from my parents, who are in their 80s now and remember that there were many unhappy and destructive families.
 
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