Immoral to have children?

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Is it really moral to have biological children? What if, though we put forth our best effort, our child or grandchild grows up to turn away from God? Such a risk is terrifying, and it is well documented in the Bible of this happening. I don’t see how I could be a better parent than Noah, Abraham, Jacob, etc, who have plenty of descendants that turned away from God and will pay an eternal price for it. The idea of having a child just for them to end up in hell makes me wonder if we should have children at all.
 
Be fruitful and multiply is commanded multiple times in scripture. We wouldn’t be commanded to do something immoral.
 
The command “be fruitful and multiply” did not have any qualifications. Those children will be born with free will to accept or reject God.
 
Is it really moral to have biological children?
Um. Is this a real question? This is literally what our bodies are designed to do.
What if, though we put forth our best effort, our child or grandchild grows up to turn away from God?
That is their choice. We all have free will.
The idea of having a child just for them to end up in hell makes me wonder if we should have children at all.
This is an irrational fear. Do you have other such fears or is it limited to this?
 
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You could flip the argument and say “is it immoral to not have children since you would be denying children from having access to the perfection and happiness of Heaven?”
 
Is it really moral to have biological children? What if, though we put forth our best effort, our child or grandchild grows up to turn away from God? Such a risk is terrifying, and it is well documented in the Bible of this happening. I don’t see how I could be a better parent than Noah, Abraham, Jacob, etc, who have plenty of descendants that turned away from God and will pay an eternal price for it. The idea of having a child just for them to end up in hell makes me wonder if we should have children at all.
God was pretty clear in Scripture. Be fruitful and multiply.

I mean this is an easy one. What happens if no one has children?
 
I have tried thinking of it from that perspective, but consider how we’ve been told most of humanity will go to hell. Statistically speaking it’s much more likely our children will go to hell than heaven.
 
Statistics mean nothing with God’s grace. Baptize your children and raise them according to their faith. Get them to Mass and the Sacraments. Pray for them. Think of how much of God’s grace and mercy they will be bathed in!
 
That’s not true, Thats like claiming predestination is real
 
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People being predestined to hell before they were even born and without any consideration for their faith and works in their life… that violates free will. That’s not Catholic teaching
 
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We are commanded to have children. The nuance here is “…if you should marry”. Nobody can be forced to marry, however, if you do, unless there is some extremely compelling reason, you must make the effort to have at least one. It is debatable whether two spouses who go into marriage with the deliberate intention never to have children, with no other reason than “we just don’t want to”, can even contract a valid marriage. (It’s a ground for declaration of nullity — what does that tell you?) People who know they are infertile before marriage are not bound to this, as none of us can do the impossible. This would apply to, among others, any later-in-life marriages where the wife has gone through menopause. Surgeries where involuntary sterility is the result (ovaries removed, hysterectomy, etc.) will also make this intention impossible. (Yes, I know, that is just stating the obvious, but I wish to clarify the discussion.)

We have no commandment to marry, and in all honesty, that is something that puzzles me. Yet the commandment does not exist, and it did not even exist under the Abrahamic covenant. One wonders what the faith of Judaism and Christianity would have looked like, if there had been an “eleventh commandment” — “thou shalt each one of you marry, and unless nature provides otherwise, thou shalt bring forth children”. Interesting to contemplate a taste of “alternative salvation history”.
 
Interesting point! What about if we looked at it from this way - a fully fertile decides to adopt children in response to an overflowing foster care system. They don’t have biological children so they have more resources available to help these other children. So it’s not that they didn’t want to raise children, they just see another way to help. Would this still be a valid marriage?
 
Interesting point! What about if we looked at it from this way - a fully fertile decides to adopt children in response to an overflowing foster care system. They don’t have biological children so they have more resources available to help these other children. So it’s not that they didn’t want to raise children, they just see another way to help. Would this still be a valid marriage?
I cannot say with certainty, but I tend to think a marriage tribunal would challenge validity. The intention to exclude biological children and adopt foster children instead, might have a certain nobility of purpose, but it would still vitiate one of the essential ends of marriage.

Do we have any canonists here? Anyone who thinks like a canonist?
 
…The idea of having a child just for them to end up in hell makes me wonder if we should have children at all.
No it is not moral to have children when your intention is for them to end up in hell. We are to be responsible to raise children in the faith and for those with no faith, with good morals. Remember responsibility and providence.
 
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One vows at marriage to lovingly welcome children from the Lord. This does not mean they have to even consummate the marriage (there are valid Josephite marriages) let alone try to conceive. As long as the couple uses moral means to avoid conception, they can adopt a thousand children from foster care, have both adopted and natural children, have foster and adopted and natural children, it is all loving.
 
Well I have children, do you think I should repent for that? What an insulting thought process!
 
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