IMO... It's better to be Protestant, but tell me why it's better to be Catholic

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Loboto-Me said:
Why did I know you were going to mention the mote in the eye thing?

Let’s put all the context together.

So let’s put the “Judge Not Lest You Be Judged” thing in there to begin with. That would be Mat 7:1 That’s gotta be proof right there that we should just let everyone do what they want to do because the judger might get judged by that same judgement or worse.

Now we move on to the verse 3 : (the one you proudly preach) About removing the twig from my brother’s eye but not considering the mote/beam in thy own eye

Sounds like He’s talking about a hypocritical judgement doesn’t it? So let’s go to the next verses.

Or how wilt thou say to they brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Sounds to me He’s saying that it’s ok to judge but first you have to examine yourself or you’d be a hypocrite.

The Lord isn’t prohibiting honest judgement or discernment because he wouldn’t continue on by saying

**“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”? **

How are we supposed to beware of false prophets if we’re not to judge them? And the very next thing He says is:

“Ye shall know them by their fruits"

I don’t care whether this is a protestant thing or not, you’re the one who brought the fruit inspector term. I have no problem inspecting fruit as I believe that in order to honestly judge fruit, we gotta inspect it first.
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Maybe the fruit inspection theme started 500 years ago by a Catholic monk? Peace brother, and rejoice in the Lord always!
 
CWBetts said:
We do not think we can “work our way to heaven” (Haven’t we gone over this?) Salvation is by grace through faith. And “faith without works is dead”!
Since it is quiz time, I have one for you: In John’s Gospel, one of the things Jesus said on the cross was “It is finished.” My question is this: What is “it”? Precisely what was finished?
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Meriting salvation for those who are His. Please go back to the OP for insight.
 
One_in_Christ said:
Meriting salvation for those who are His.
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WRONG ANSWER. You don’t even get a lousy copy of the home game. The “it” cannot be the work of salvation, because Christ had not yet risen. If there was no resurrection, than our faith is in vain (read 1 Cor. 15). “It” cannot be the earthly ministry either. He had more to say and do after he rose from the dead (Emmaus Road, for example). We can also eliminate the birth of the Church, because that would not happen until Pentecost. We are running out of options here. Notice that this utterance came AFTER re received wine on a hyssop branch. Where have we seen hyssop before? Oh yes, it is used in various liturgies in Judaism. What is usually done with it? Application of blood. But he received wine. But wait–“This is my Blood of the New and everlasting covenant given for many so that sins may be forgiven” This last thing on the cross was a LITURGICAL ACT. It was the final cup of wine used in the Passover Liturgy. “It” is the passover liturgy, of which HE was the sacrificial Lamb!
 
CWBetts said:
WRONG ANSWER. You don’t even get a lousy copy of the home game. The “it” cannot be the work of salvation, because Christ had not yet risen. If there was no resurrection, than our faith is in vain (read 1 Cor. 15). “It” cannot be the earthly ministry either. He had more to say and do after he rose from the dead (Emmaus Road, for example). We can also eliminate the birth of the Church, because that would not happen until Pentecost. We are running out of options here. Notice that this utterance came AFTER re received wine on a hyssop branch. Where have we seen hyssop before? Oh yes, it is used in various liturgies in Judaism. What is usually done with it? Application of blood. But he received wine. But wait–“This is my Blood of the New and everlasting covenant given for many so that sins may be forgiven” This last thing on the cross was a LITURGICAL ACT. It was the final cup of wine used in the Passover Liturgy. “It” is the passover liturgy, of which HE was the sacrificial Lamb!
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Wow! Thank you for explaining this to me. I always worried that I never knew what the “IT” was as well. This makes so much complete sense!
 
CWBetts said:
WRONG ANSWER. You don’t even get a lousy copy of the home game. The “it” cannot be the work of salvation, because Christ had not yet risen. If there was no resurrection, than our faith is in vain (read 1 Cor. 15). “It” cannot be the earthly ministry either. He had more to say and do after he rose from the dead (Emmaus Road, for example). We can also eliminate the birth of the Church, because that would not happen until Pentecost. We are running out of options here. Notice that this utterance came AFTER re received wine on a hyssop branch. Where have we seen hyssop before? Oh yes, it is used in various liturgies in Judaism. What is usually done with it? Application of blood. But he received wine. But wait–“This is my Blood of the New and everlasting covenant given for many so that sins may be forgiven” This last thing on the cross was a LITURGICAL ACT. It was the final cup of wine used in the Passover Liturgy. “It” is the passover liturgy, of which HE was the sacrificial Lamb!
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I am completely lost in what you believe. Are you saying that the merit of Christ is not enough for saving sinners? Are you saying the treasury of merit does not flow from the life and death of Jesus Christ? What are you actually saying in regards to "it is finished’? Do you believe like Mormons in this regard?
 
Loboto-Me said:
Wow! Thank you for explaining this to me. I always worried that I never knew what the “IT” was as well. This makes so much complete sense!
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I think you two need to make sure you are not drifting from official Catholic doctrine.
 
One_in_Christ said:
Meriting salvation for those who are His. Please go back to the OP for insight.
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from CW.
Since it is quiz time, I have one for you: In John’s Gospel, one of the things Jesus said on the cross was “It is finished.” My question is this: What is “it”? Precisely what was finished?
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Jesus’ last words, “It is finished” are very different from the agonizing cry of Jesus in Mark and Matthews Gospel. These words symbolize the triumphant completion as Jesus accepts his death as the fulfillment of the Father’s plan.
As he dies, Jesus hands over the spirit and begins the new life ot the Christian community.🙂 Truth and Peace, Carlan
 
Carlan said:
And with that quote you admit you don’t understand at all the “Doctrine of the Cross”.:(Carlan
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And that’s my point in regards to Christian unity. All of us don’t understand all the “Doctrine of the Cross” or we all know in part about our Triune God and His ways, including the Catholic Church.

Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
 
One_in_Christ said:
I am completely lost in what you believe. Are you saying that the merit of Christ is not enough for saving sinners? Are you saying the treasury of merit does not flow from the life and death of Jesus Christ? What are you actually saying in regards to "it is finished’? Do you believe like Mormons in this regard?
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I believe, as the Scriptures say, that the work of Christ did not end with His death, but that He had to be raised from the dead. Also he preached after his resurrection (the Emmaus Road account in Luke). He also gave the gift of the Spirit to the apostles on the day he raised form the dead. After he was raised, he also charged Peter to “feed his sheep.” So if you are saying that his work was “finished” at His death, then you are ignoring a significant amount of Scripture.
 
Loboto-Me said:
No, what it is, is that we are called to evangelize the truth so that no souls are lost. How can we be united with 30,000 or more different philosophies? If we were to unify the way you’d want us to, the body of Christ would be so changed that the promise of Christ would be broken and Jesus doesn’t break promises.

What would you like us to change in our doctrine in order to be unified? Should we allow women to be priests? (protestant), then should we allow practicing gays to be ordained? (protestant), after that should we start giving crakers and juice instead of eucharist? (protestant). What about ignoring Jesus’ mother? Should she be put on a shelf somewhere?

Don’t you see? Protestants have so changed Jesus’ teachings that the “as long as we believe and accept Christ as our Lord” the Church would have had the gates of Hell opened and there would be no more truth left.

We are concerned for our brothers and sisters eternal soul. We are the only constant left in all this disarray, we are the lighthouse where should anyone who needs the constant truth can run to.

It’s not about drawing lines in the sand or pits on our part, we haven’t changed… someone else is holding the shovel, not the Church.
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hmmmm…have you checked out this new thread?

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=6411056#post6411056

and the article…

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100317/…abuse_celibacy
 
spn82756 said:
hmmmm…have you checked out this new thread?

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=6411056#post6411056

and the article…

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100317/…abuse_celibacy
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Steve, I just peeked at your thread and I don’t really care about what opinion is on celibacy. This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with celibacy. You see my friend, married or unmarried priests are not doctrine in the Catholic Church. That is something that CAN be changed should it be decided by the Pope.

I have no idea why you’d even dirty the water with this stuff… it just has nothing to do with our conversation here.
 
I suspect that there are many like me. We are Christians, with little concern for a label. We have trouble with traditional Catholicism as well as fundamentalist Protestantism because both leave so little room for freedom of thought. I need to weigh this doctrine and that dogma, believe what I can, set aside what I can’t. Such intellectual freedom, freedom of thought, is essential to me. You can call this egotism, excessive individualism, cafeteria Christianity - anything you want - but that’s where millions of Christians are. We are reluctant to permit any Pope or preacher tell us what we have to believe. Our faith is in Christ and not in a creed or a church.
Frankly, I'm rather fond of the Quakers myself. They try to live their creedless and simple religion by pushing for peace and goodwill. Sounds a lot like Jesus to me.
 
Roy5 said:
I suspect that there are many like me. We are Christians, with little concern for a label. We have trouble with traditional Catholicism as well as fundamentalist Protestantism because both leave so little room for freedom of thought. I need to weigh this doctrine and that dogma, believe what I can, set aside what I can’t. Such intellectual freedom, freedom of thought, is essential to me. You can call this egotism, excessive individualism, cafeteria Christianity - anything you want - but that’s where millions of Christians are. We are reluctant to permit any Pope or preacher tell us what we have to believe. Our faith is in Christ and not in a creed or a church.
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Frankly, I'm rather fond of the Quakers myself. They try to live their creedless and simple religion by pushing for peace and goodwill. Sounds a lot like Jesus to me.
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If Jesus was opposed to a heirarchy and a Church, why did He establish one?
 
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