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So you think I believe the real collusion is Bill Barr working the in Trumps interest, over getting to the truth.? Exposing the leftist coup and relentless efforts to bring down a duly elected president .? How is that collusion? I call it seeking justice.Truth will out🙌
 
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PaulinVA said:
“the real collusion” is just so off the wall. I think what you are trying to say is that Bill Barr, who is acting as Trump’s personal lawyer instead of the United States Attorney General, is going to do his best to discredit all those accusing Trump and continue to mislead the public and Congress to protect the President.
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The AG by design leans in the direction of supporting POTUS, it is no conspiracy. That’s why a special counsel was given the job of investigating

If the Special Counsel had anything of importance, it was their job to be explicit, not play a game of innuendo.

I’ve seen no evidence Barr is not responding with integrity to the report and there is nothing in his past that would indicate he doesn’t act with integrity.
 
PaulinVA said:
Just the first one I saw. I guess if you don’t like what they say you attack their character?
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Kind of rich considering that 99+% of the attacks against Trump and Barr are evidence free attacks against their characters. No collusion. No charges of obstructing justice. And even if you buy the bovine excrement that Trump couldn’t be charged with obstructing per DoJ guidelines, that wouldn’t apply to anybody else. Nobody has been charged with anything relating to collusion with Russia to influence the election or obstructing the investigation.
 
Ridgerunner said:
The Attorney General is, among other things, the attorney for the President. That’s his job.
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Not true. His job is to be the attorney for the US. Not a personal lawyer for the president. But since you refuse to acknowledge this simple fact, there is nothing else to say.
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And even if you buy the bovine excrement that Trump couldn’t be charged with obstructing per DoJ guidelines, that wouldn’t apply to anybody else. Nobody has been charged with anything relating to collusion with Russia to influence the election or obstructing the investigation.
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Except those who have been indicted and either will be or are already in jail for their crimes. And since you refuse to acknowledge the DOJ’s binding guidelines, it wound be a waste of time to talk to you any longer.
 
Ridgerunner said:
The Attorney General is, among other things, the attorney for the President. That’s his job.
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No, he is not. He is the chief law enforcement official in the country.

Heck, the White House Counsel isn’t even the President’s lawyer. That’s why the President has a personal lawyer, or whatever you call Giuliani and Sekelow.

Now, the Solicitor General argues cases for the administration…
 
Economist said:
Except those who have been indicted and either will be or are already in jail for their crimes.
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Who in the Trump campaign has been charged with either colluding with Russia to influence the election, or obstructing the Mueller investigation?
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And since you refuse to acknowledge the DOJ’s binding guidelines, it wound be a waste of time to talk to you any longer.
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Mueller told Barr that the DOJ guidelines had nothing to do with the decision to not charge Trump with Obstruction of Justice and specifically said that if they did, they could be revisited. DoJ guidelines are just guidelines, they’re not law.
PaulinVA said:
No, he is not. He is the chief law enforcement official in the country.
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The President is the chief law enforcement official in the country, not the AG.
 
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The constitutional duties of the U.S. Attorney General, broadly include:

Furnish advice and opinions, formal and informal, on legal matters to the President and the Cabinet and to the heads of the executive departments and agencies of the government, as provided by law.
Perform or supervise the performance of other duties required by statute or Executive Order.


In matters of government, the AG is, indeed, the president’s lawyer. In personal matters, not. I’m sure Barr would not represent Trump for a traffic ticket or a private lawsuit. I realize that to those who hate Trump, everything about him is “personal”. But that doesn’t mean it is.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Furnish advice and opinions, formal and informal, on legal matters to the President and the Cabinet and to the heads of the executive departments and agencies of the government, as provided by law.
Perform or supervise the performance of other duties required by statute or Executive Order.
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According to the White House:

The Office of White House Counsel advises the President, the Executive Office of the President, and the White House staff on legal issues pertaining to the President and the White House. It is often said that the office sits at the intersection of law, policy, and politics.

The Attorney General is authorized in the U.S. Code, 28 USC Sec 50, not the Constitution. Providing advice to the President and the Cabinet Agencies does not make the AG the “President’s lawyer”

The mission of the Office of the Attorney General is to supervise and direct the administration and operation of the Department of Justice, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Bureau of Prisons, Office of Justice Programs, and the U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals Service, which are all within the Department of Justice.
 
According to the DOJ, (post 133 above) the AG’s duties also include carrying out executive orders of the president. You did leave that out as well as giving legal advice to the president.

That’s being the 'president’s lawyer", within a limited scope.

Never did I say the AG is the “president’s lawyer” in all things; only in matters of government. For traffic tickets, for example, he has to get someone else.
 
Guinness said:
Who in the Trump campaign has been charged with either colluding with Russia to influence the election, or obstructing the Mueller investigation?
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Everyone already in jail, or waiting to be thrown there. Even though Mueller resigned from the DOJ, his grand jury is still very much alive and working. And he saved the necessary information for further indictment, in NYSD and other venues. And, of course over 800 independent prosecutors declared that if anyone, except a sitting president would have committed those crimes, he would be in jail.
Guinness said:
Mueller told Barr that the DOJ guidelines had nothing to do with the decision to not charge Trump with Obstruction of Justice and specifically said that if they did, they could be revisited.
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Did you watch the press conference by Mueller last night? It contained all the necessary information.
 
Economist said:
Everyone already in jail, or waiting to be thrown there.
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Nobody has been charged with colluding with Russia to effect the outcome of the election or obstruction of justice.
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And, of course over 800 independent prosecutors declared that if anyone, except a sitting president would have committed those crimes, he would be in jail.
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Anybody can declare anything. That doesn’t give it any legal weight. You act like 800 is some significant number, but it’s not. At any given time there are over 2000 active federal prosecutors and 10s of thousands of former ones.
Economist said:
Did you watch the press conference by Mueller last night? It contained all the necessary information.
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The statement that Mueller gave contradicts what he allegedly told to Barr when presenting the report. There he said repeatedly that the DOJ guidelines weren’t the reason for his decision not to indict.
 
So if you are so certain these charges are valid explain why they evolved from collusion to obstruction to possibly thinking about obstruction to now a cover up.Seriously? Add to that it has been verified via the texts between lovers Lisa Paige and Peter Strok that these allegations were in the works before Trump even won the election as an insurance policy to oust him.
 
PaulinVA said:
The Attorney General is authorized in the U.S. Code, 28 USC Sec 50, not the Constitution. Providing advice to the President and the Cabinet Agencies does not make the AG the “President’s lawyer”
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He represents the legal interests of the White House, and he reports to the president. That does make him Trump’s lawyer on official business.

As I told you before, this obvious allegiance is why special prosecutors are used on investigations of the Executive Branch, to avoid conflicts of interest. We’ve always known the AG is intentionally biased to support the executive branch and it’s leader.

The exception would be when the Executive branch is acting unlawfully. If the special counsel had made such a clear case, the AG would then be obligated to turn on his boss. The special counsel did not make such findings in their independent report.
 
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Theo520 said:
The exception would be when the Executive branch is acting unlawfully. If the special counsel had made such a clear case, the AG would then be obligated to turn on his boss. The special counsel did not make such findings in their independent report.
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I believe the Special Counsel wrote,and Mueller emphasised yesterday, that he couldn’t indict the President but there is evidence sufficient to consider indictment after he leaves office and/or congress should investigate for impeachment.
 
PaulinVA said:
there is evidence sufficient to consider indictment
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That is not what I have heard in any article on the report, but I also haven’t read it. What I have heard is only innuendo of evidence and claims Trump wasn’t exonerated.

Can you reference where the report claims there “is sufficient evidence?”
Innuendo is not sufficient.
 
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