Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

[Maximus1]

The country they rebelled against? Laws of a monarchy?

 

[Ridgerunner]

The country they rebelled against? Laws of a monarchy?

Absolutely, and most states did too, as they became states. When my state was formed, it adopted the laws of England as they were on that date. England had a rich body of laws, and the U.S. initially had virtually none. Among other things, I work with real estate titles, and almost everything in our real estate laws are from England.

In the west, and in Louisiana, that’s not true. Louisiana adopted the “Code Napoleon” in whole and it is still the basis of Louisiana law.

Just for fun, some changes do happen, but they happen slowly. My state very recently abolished the English “Rule in Shelley’s Case” which was decided in England in 1581. There’s stuff a lot older than that.

 

[drcube]

All be it interesting, by itself, it doesn’t tell me much. It could have been Shokin was looking to collect a bribe as much as it could have been an actual investigation. There is a lot of press that Shokin totally blew the investigation when the UK went after Burisma as he was the deputy director assigned to the investigation. This continues when he became prosecutor general and eventually he draws the ire of anti-scandal Ukrainians as well as the US, EU and IMF.

As for John Solomon, well, he has huge reliability problems.

 

[drcube]

• It was all made it, all the investigations of Burisma corruption, maybe in your reality.
• Sure.
• Reality is that it’s not. You can’t copy and paste the criminal statute code because it isn’t. If one wants to accuse the President of extortion then you accuse him of such in the Articles, and don’t make lame excuses after the fact why you didn’t use the word at all in the articles. Every President ever impeached was accused of a actual crimes in Articles of impeachment, except Trump.

1. No one said that Burisma wasn’t corrupt. I said Biden’s desire to have Shokin removed had nothing to do with helping Burisma.
2. Well, who said Russian President first?
3. You copied in the code and I explained how it applied in this case.

> the term “extortion” means an offense that has as its elements the extraction of anything of value from another person by threatening or placing that person in fear of injury to any person or kidnapping of any person;

So your claim now is President Trump threatened Zaensky with injury of another person or kidnapping of any person. WOW, just wow. I know the Dems are really creative with their “descriptions” of things and events they don’t like but this claim is a bit over the top.

Can’t wait to see how you defend this claim.

The injury does not have to be a direct physical injury. I think it would make a solid case.

There may or may not have been other calls.Did you listen in? Are you privy to what may have been discussed?

It’s interesting how many people seemed to believe that Trump expected an announcement into an investigation, so that would indicate that he had other conversations with people about the issue. We don’t know what is said because Trump is blocking their testimony and the Senate is playing along.

 

[HarryStotle]

As for John Solomon, well, he has huge reliability problems.

No, actually, he doesn’t, at least he never did until he began pointing to documents that reflected badly on the Democrats. Then there began an all out war to discredit him.

That made him all the more credible for me, just as I took Trump far more seriously when he began being viciously attacked by the MSM, celebrities and the political class.

Try to find any reliability problems or disparagement of Solomon prior to his revealing facts on Biden and Ukraine.

 

[HarryStotle]

All be it interesting, by itself, it doesn’t tell me much. It could have been Shokin was looking to collect a bribe as much as it could have been an actual investigation. There is a lot of press that Shokin totally blew the investigation when the UK went after Burisma as he was the deputy director assigned to the investigation. This continues when he became prosecutor general and eventually he draws the ire of anti-scandal Ukrainians as well as the US, EU and IMF.

Well, that “ire” was coordinated by the State Department and various others connected to the Democrat elite in Washington. There are direct lines (via emails, scheduled meetings, communications, and joint enterprises) to be drawn between Adam Schiff, Eric Ciaramella, Joe Biden, Victoria Nuland, Victor Pinchuk, Burisma, John Kerry, Christopher Heinz, Hillary Clinton, Alexandra Chalupa, Marie Yovanovitch and others.

If you have evidence that Shokin was looking for a bribe, why not produce it instead of spreading your imaginings as distinct possibilities?

It is interesting that you say direct documented evidence from the Washington Post, Burisma’s lawyers, Sara Carter, Real Clear Investigations, and John Solomon, “doesn’t tell me much” but your wild completely invented speculation about a bribe desired by Shokin is convincing to you.

 

[Maximus1]

The laws that are going to pertain to a president as a high crime in impeachment, will not track the same English common law pertaining to the sovereign.

 

[drcube]

No, actually, he doesn’t, at least he never did until he began pointing to documents that reflected badly on the Democrats. Then there began an all out war to discredit him.

That made him all the more credible for me, just as I took Trump far more seriously when he began being viciously attacked by the MSM, celebrities and the political class.

Try to find any reliability problems or disparagement of Solomon prior to his revealing facts on Biden and Ukraine.

Wasn’t Solomon mostly an opinion writer? Anyhow, it’s not a really good argument to say he was ok until people started paying attention to him and now we can see there are issues now that we are. Please. Not a good argument at all.

Well, that “ire” was coordinated by the State Department and various others connected to the Democrat elite in Washington. There are direct lines (via emails, scheduled meetings, communications, and joint enterprises) to be drawn between Adam Schiff, Eric Ciaramella, Joe Biden, Victoria Nuland, Victor Pinchuk, Burisma, John Kerry, Christopher Heinz, Hillary Clinton, Alexandra Chalupa, Marie Yovanovitch and others.

If you have evidence that Shokin was looking for a bribe, why not produce it instead of spreading your imaginings as distinct possibilities?

It is interesting that you say direct documented evidence from the Washington Post, Burisma’s lawyers, Sara Carter, Real Clear Investigations, and John Solomon, “doesn’t tell me much” but your wild completely invented speculation about a bribe desired by Shokin is convincing to you.

I was simply pointing out that trying to freeze assets is not evidence of an ongoing investigation in a prosecutor that is thought to be corrupt.

 

[HarryStotle]

Wasn’t Solomon mostly an opinion writer? Anyhow, it’s not a really good argument to say he was ok until people started paying attention to him and now we can see there are issues now that we are. Please. Not a good argument at all.

I suppose it is better than an argument that simply says now there are problems without actually specifying what those problems are.

Perhaps you can provide a list of “problems” with his reporting? Or make a case that his reporting is actually problematic.

Are his documents from court filings, etc., fake? No.

Do they look bad for Biden, et al? Yes. Is that a reason for thinking his journalism is problematic? No.

And asking “Wasn’t Solomon mostly an opinion writer?” is not an argument for two reasons (at least).

1. Being a good opinion writer does not preclude being a good journalist.
2. Merely asking the question does not prove that he was “mostly an opinion writer.”

 

[HarryStotle]

Wasn’t Solomon mostly an opinion writer?

He did win numerous prizes for investigative journalism.

From Wikipedia…

Solomon has received a number of prestigious awards for investigative journalism, among them the 2008 Robert F. Kennedy Journalism Award and the Society of Professional Journalists’ National Investigative Award together with CBS News’ 60 Minutes for Evidence of Injustice; in 2002, the Associated Press’s Managing Editors Enterprise Reporting Award for What The FBI Knew Before September 11, 2001, and the Gramling Journalism Achievement Award for his coverage of the war on terrorism; in 1992, the White House Correspondents’ Association’s Raymond Clapper Memorial Award for an investigative series on Ross Perot.

Also why would a prestigious publication such as The Hill hire Solomon as Executive Vice President, Digital Video in July of 2017, if he had “reliability problems,” as you say?

More likely, he raised the hackles of a politically connected individual, Joe Biden, and has been attacked by the Democrat infested press.

A better argument?

 

[HarryStotle]

7_Sorrows:

I don’t watch CNN or MSNBC or read the NYT or the
Washington Post or the Huffington Post. So who knows what misinformation they have been told.

7_Sorrows,

I have subscriptions to The New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Wall Street Journal, watch CNN, MSNBC, and read Foxnews.com and CNN.com.

What sources do you rely upon that I am missing?

My sense is that Amazing Lucas is more accurate and reliable in his reporting than, say, a Brian Seltzer Stelter, Chris Cuomo or Don Lemon of CNN.

Compare:

Same level of analysis, more or less, but Lucas is far more entertaining, more insightful and astute, and less condescending.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Amazing Lucas definitely has a better handle on the
situatiom than Cuomo!!

I have not followed Amazing Lucas. Does he post on
you tube? He is funny!

 

[Maximus1]

Honestly, to act like this Burisma folly is anything but a giant political campaign venture is absurd. This interest in one company in Ukraine, and one prosecutor, from Mr YOUR FIRED?
YOU have to just say stop! Why are we talking about this as if it is a concern to Americans if Burisma of Ukraine had a crook? The conversation itself is absurd to conduct

 

[drcube]

I suppose it is better than an argument that simply says now there are problems without actually specifying what those problems are.

Perhaps you can provide a list of “problems” with his reporting? Or make a case that his reporting is actually problematic.

Are his documents from court filings, etc., fake? No.

Do they look bad for Biden, et al? Yes. Is that a reason for thinking his journalism is problematic? No.

And asking “Wasn’t Solomon mostly an opinion writer?” is not an argument for two reasons (at least).

1. Being a good opinion writer does not preclude being a good journalist.
2. Merely asking the question does not prove that he was “mostly an opinion writer.”

Yeah, I just didn’t remember the details of Solomon. I did a little digging.

https://archives.cjr.org/feature/something_fishy.php

Not good, not reliable.

 

[drcube]

Honestly, to act like this Burisma folly is anything but a giant political campaign venture is absurd. This interest in one company in Ukraine, and one prosecutor, from Mr YOUR FIRED?
YOU have to just say stop! Why are we talking about this as if it is a concern to Americans if Burisma of Ukraine had a crook? The conversation itself is absurd to conduct

It begs the question…do you dig up and debunk the falsehoods, which is very time consuming, or do you just let people repeat the lies on forums like this?

 

[Maximus1]

That question is interested within the scheme itself.
Simply responding rewards the mud slinger.
Even this impeached president is politically rewarded in his own trial.
All while a candidate is blindsided by his own government turned into dirt chasers

 

[mrad25]

Rise and shine…

Happy Acquittal Day!

 

[dvdjs]

Honestly, to act like this Burisma folly is anything but a giant political campaign venture is absurd. This interest in one company in Ukraine, and one prosecutor, from Mr YOUR FIRED?
YOU have to just say stop! Why are we talking about this as if it is a concern to Americans if Burisma of Ukraine had a crook? The conversation itself is absurd to conduct

Some Republican Senators have called out this executive conduct as inappropriate and wrong. Susuan Collins thinks hopes that Trump has learned a lesson. Guilliani was on NPR this morning speaking of his continuing work in Ukraine and noted that Trump has not told him to stop.

 

[Xystus]

Happy Acquittal Day!

Acquitted for Life [Yes i’m looking at you while i said that Madam Speaker]

 

[Maximus1]

As General Kelly said," a half a trial."
I am satisfied Schiff did his job and McConnell left Trump tarnished.