Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

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Maximus1 said:
How is it possible for the Democrats loose in court?
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You’re right, they can’t lose …given that this impeachment will never be tried. The House would never send over such an inadequate case just to watch it go down in flames. I guess they aren’t as confident as you are that they could actually prevail.
 
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As opposed to the strongest conceivable case which would go down with no perceptible distinctions.
Why bring up merits when Republicans have gone on record with a verdict before hearing the trial evidence?
 
Pence / Bush 2020

Gabbard / O’Halleran 2020

I’d love to see that.
 
Maximus1 said:
You speak as if EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE was actually asserted
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He’s the President and has that privilege regardless. It’s not like he has to say the magic words to make a genie come out of the bottle. As the President it’s already his and he doesn’t have to say it. Being a president is not being in court trial.
Maximus1 said:
The witnesses are being hidden by Trump and now MCCONNELL because they will implicate Trump in impeachable offenses. There can be no other explanation because exonerating witnesses would not be withheld.
So we begin with a collaboration of Trump and McConnell to cover up crime and a democratic effort to put it before America.
All of your other arguments are a variation on this truth.
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Projection… Since when is this a truth? Except maybe in your own mind?

What is fact is that much of what the republicans have been screaming about over the last couple years is slowly being borne out as true. Nunes’ memo was correct. Maddow and Isikoff connections and the phony Steele dossier (even WAPO reported it!). The Carter Page lie to the FISA court and turn to criminal investigations at the FBI. All with Democrat involvement to stoke the fires.

What time will tell is that they will all go down. And this attempt to hold any and all of the president’s actions hostage will be finally seen for what it is… Sedition.
 
JButky said:
What time will tell is that they will all go down.
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The IG report was significant for what it found, but ultimately had little effect because no one was indicted or charged with a crime. The Durham report, however, will assuredly be different, and that’s when we’ll find out exactly how deep this thing runs.
 
dvdjs said:
… that Trumps’s repeated memes of political witchhunt and hoax were false.
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If Durham and Barr don’t charge anyone with crimes then I will consider your point valid. On the other hand, if numerous high ranking government officials are indicted in regard to the spy…surveillance, then Trump will be vindicated. I can wait.
 
I begin with where you do, your response to the privilege issue I raised.
30 years of practice leaves me an expert for decades. What you typed makes clear:
You do not understand the issue at all and yet you are willing to fabricate a tale of Trump’s magic privilege that he " just has" and need not assert.
I really don’t have to read on to aggravate myself reading ( he can shoot someone on 5th Ave and people will still vote for him) .
This was a true statement and it saves a lot of time.
 
There is no assurance at all. But there might be a conflict. That generally does not work out well for prosecutors who must prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt
 
If Nancy and here peeps were out in front of the impeachment hearings telling us all how important it was to quickly impeach the President as a means of preserving our democracy; then why is it now OK for them to drag their collective feet on delivering the articles of impeachment to the Senate to finalize the process? Rush, Rush Rush to impeach, then slam on the breaks before completing the process?
 
Maximus1 said:
New Evidence should always be considered. This is a pillar in our judicial system.
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No it’s not.

A case is made on the evidence found and then tried. You are advocating for double jeopardy which is explicitly ruled out in per our rule of law.
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Double jeopardy prevents a person from being tried again for the same crime . … It means that a person cannot be tried twice for the same crime . Once they have been acquitted (found not guilty), they cannot be prosecuted again even if new evidence emerges or they later confess
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dvdjs said:
A former federal prosecutor asserted that Barr’s loyalty to the White House is a “perversion” of his job as attorney general. (Newsweek)
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What? Someone alleged someone in the Trump administration is bad? My, how surprising. Actually, what that usually means is whoever is being maligned is doing a good job. No need to attack those who aren’t a threat.
 
Ender said:
Someone alleged …
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You may seek to dismiss the content of the article altogether but I think that most informed people understand that we are in terra incognito with Barr, who is unabashed in serving the interests of the President as though that were actually the job of the AG.
Theo520 said:
You are advocating for double jeopardy
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Theo520 said:
Once they have been acquitted …
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Trump has neither been acquitted nor tried over his impeachment.
 
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I think that Bob Barr is confusing his role. He is head of the country’s Justice Department, not the president’s apologist (that’s Giuliani!). He is doing far too much in defending Trump on a political basis. If he was just citing legal points it would be ok.
 
dvdjs said:
Trump has neither been acquitted nor tried over his impeachment.
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the Dems have had over two years to prepare their case, and have botched it. They started the trial without sufficient evidence. The discovery phase of the trial ended when they voted to impeach

Their objective is solely to deflect and smear Trump, not convict him of an actual crime.
 
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