Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

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Part of the audacity of Trump here is that he didn’t presume corruption on the part of the Ukrainian government, unlike Biden who did.
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This assertion contradicts the testimony of witnesses.
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Yovanovitch?

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redstate.com
 
Ridgerunner said:
Obama used refusal of aid to extort a number of countries.

News and Politics – 10 Dec 19

Five Times Obama Put Conditions on Foreign Aid and Democrats Didn’t Care​

Long before Democrats decided to impeach Trump over Ukraine, former President Barack Obama put conditions on foreign aid numerous times, engaging in quid pro quo arrangements with Nigeria and Ukraine, among others.

Now, whether Biden’s threat to withhold aid to Ukraine if they didn’t fire the investigator of Biden’s son’s company was his own bluff or Obama’s threat is something we don’t know, but should investigate. Dems, of course, don’t want it investigated and therefore made it the centerpiece of their impeachment attempt.
And it seems almost certain that Obama used foreign intelligence people, including, seemingly, British, Australian and Italian intelligence to investigate Trump and aid in charging his campaign people with crimes. And the Steele dossier was of foreign origin, meant to defeat Trump, and the origins were Ukrainian and Russian.

The Democrats suborned the CIA, FBI, IRS, NSA and it would have actually been less harmful to the country if they had ONLY enlisted foreigners in subverting the 2016 election.
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A lot of falsehoods and false equivalencies in this post. First, it is reasonable for the executive branch to put conditions on aid in further reaching goals aligned with national policies. That’s what Obama did. Trump put conditions on aid for his own personal reasons. Second, you continue with the falsehood that Biden was somehow corrupt. There is no evidence of that and Biden’s actions were entire consistent with US policy at the time (along with the EU, IMF and anti-corruption Ukrainians). Third, there is no evidence that Obama used foreign intelligence to investigate Trump. Trump triggered investigations when his campaign staff starting bragging in bars about how they got Hillary’s emails to foreign ambassadors. Essentially, Trump brought foreigners into the investigation indirectly.
Ridgerunner said:
Democrats try to claim Biden didn’t interfere with Ukrainian justice just to protect his son who was making millions for doing nothing. They claim the prosecutor was corrupt. Problem is, that prosecutor has not been charged with anything by anyone, not even by the current “reform” Ukrainian administration.

But even if that prosecutor was corrupt, it was still interference with the lawful authorities in Ukraine and Biden had a conflict of interest to massive that he should have been the very last person entrusted with such a task.
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Repeating falsehoods over and over again doesn’t make them true.
 
mrad25 said:
Let’s face it “obstruction of justice” is a last minute throw in from the initial “abuse of power” argument.
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I think they called it Obstruction of Congress… (I think some Dems need to be charged with Obstruction of the United States, in general terms and Obstruction of the Executive Branch more specifically…)
 
Well said @petra22

I heard Maxine Waters already has something going on that might lead to a 2nd impeachment.

These people need to be set straight. Their is no limit to the lengths they will go to remove this president from office.
 
PaulinVA said:
  1. using the courts runs out the clock and there will never be impeachment.
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If there was any truth to the charges… ANY of the charges… he could be history by November…the PEOPLE could vote him OUT! That would be more honest than this type of political hit job…
 
petra22 said:
If there was any truth to the charges… ANY of the charges… he could be history by November…the PEOPLE could vote him OUT! That would be more honest than this type of political hit job…
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Nah, you are vastly underestimating how many people get their ‘news’ from propaganda sources and come on sites like this and Facebook to defend the indefensible.
 
drcube said:
Nah, you are vastly underestimating how many people get their ‘news’ from propaganda sources and come on sites like this and Facebook to defend the indefensible.
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Sounds like you don’t trust the American people…? How can the majority of the people get their news from propaganda sources when the majority of the MSM is dripping liberal? If you agree that Cnn, cbs, nbc etc have the right take on the news and they are the majority news outlets then the majority of people would be getting their news from them and would be voting accordingly… I think that is logical, correct?
 
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Presidents would try to do damage after a proper election? to the White house? to the country? Surely not. That’s pure evil you are speaking of…
 
Last chance for pardoning criminals for one thing. All of them do it.

On the other hand the Senate could vote him out tomorrow at noon and he’s gone for good.
 
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Link us your post condemning Obama sucking up to Russia after his last election

Waiting with anxious anticipation
 
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