Importance of Catholic Friends

[ConfusedLucy]

That’s a lovely definition for spiritual friendship and I’m definitely blessed to have some non-Catholic friends who we can walk together even if don’t 100% agree.

 

[redbetta]

With folks like that, I think it is important that we Catholics need to be patient because a lot of people have genuinely never thought this issue in depth because pro-choice is the default position in our society. However, it is also important to not be very argumentative when you honestly don’t have a very well thought out opinion on something and ask more questions, like, why do you believe life begins at conception? The key to surviving on CAF is to make it clear that you are open to learning. After all, that is what this site is for: learning about what Catholics believe.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I think they are sexually frustrated crazy cat lady types personally.

Me and Grumpy say, Hey now, don’t you go dissin’ on the cat people.

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[Tis_Bearself]

I just don’t know what kind of male enjoys going around telling everyone they are going to hell. Actually i do

You must not be reading the “gay” threads on here…that seems to be where they all are

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

I try not to judge ‘pro-choice’ people either, especially American’s. One of the most sobering experiences you can have in life is to visit a Nazi death camp. You guys are thousands of miles away from them but for me it’s a two hour plane ride. My visit had nothing to do with abortion per se, but when i was there it clicked that this is the logical conclusion of ‘some lives are more important than others’. I know that sounds extreme but it’s not. As soon as you believe there are humans who can say ‘this life is more important than that life’ then that principle can be warped into what happened or best summarised Niemöller’s poem:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

I wish ‘pro-choice’ people would try that experience because if we don’t learn from the past then we repeat it.

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

As we say over here and with reference to the frothing at the mouth ones: “methinks the lady doth protest too much”

 

[redbetta]

I have been to Auschwitz. It’s the pile of shoes that gets to me the most. It is like a universal symbol now.

 

[ColleenEH]

Not to go off-topic, but the argument that I tend to hear is that “it’s not a person, it’s a glob of cells” and therefore that makes it “okay.” So then it gets drilled down even more where we have to get into this personhood argument. It’s really frustrating and sad.

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

There’s a guy that’s big on YouTube called Ben Shapiro. I think he makes a bullet proof case against abortion:

He’s not even Catholic. He deals with that response.

 

[ColleenEH]

Thanks for this, I’ll check it out!

 

[redbetta]

Ben Shapiro spoke at my school last year. He’s incredible.

Oddly enough, my campus did not burn down at his arrival as many expected.

 

[Mary888]

If they believe that it’s just a glib of cells, then how can they explain the fact for IV inseminations it takes several shots to make the zigot just begin to be? While in natural conception it only takes one shot… what is different? Because mechanically it is all basically the same thing happening. So what makes a glob of cells live rather than other?

 

[stupidisasstupiddoes]

He’s a lawyer by trade, his logic is phenomenal. He’s actually not so hot when he talks about economics, by that i mean he just makes flat out mistakes, but on morality he’s pretty solid.

 

[redbetta]

He also had a lot of pretty savage and funny moments.