Imported frozen chicken positive for Covid19

[umamibella]

To date there is no evidence of a single person on the planet being infected by food packaging (frozen or otherwise) or indeed by any type of packaging of home deliveries.

Naturally it is prudent to wipe any deliveries (which I do) but the risk is low. Also on surfaces the virus weakens until it dies and it is much less infectious before it has completely died.

There is a cluster in China linked to this type of issue. The scientists who found it were doing routine swabs. They have been trying to get the message across for at least 6 weeks.

You really should stop giving out medical advice like ‘the risk is low’. Maybe in 12 months that might be an accurate statement but right now, it is an unknown.

If the virus is on a surface, you touch that surface, pick up the virus, inadvertantly touch your face or an object heading to your face , covid says thanks for playing, lets party.
We touch our faces statistically 16 times an hour.
The virus does not survive long on copper for some reason.

 

[Montrose]

There is a cluster in China linked to this type of issue. The scientists who found it were doing routine swabs. They have been trying to get the message across for at least 6 weeks.

To be honest I wouldn’t trust anything about the virus that comes from Chinese authorities unless it can be corroborated by studies done in other countries.

 

[umamibella]

To be honest I wouldn’t trust anything about the virus that comes from Chinese authorities unless it can be corroborated by studies done in other countries.

That is the problem , people took no notice of what was going on in Wuhan and did not listen to those trying ti tell people. Look at us now.

China has good scientists, educated in USA, Australia, UK, and other countries, in very good educational institutions. They can confidently swab surfaces , grow virus, investigate.

 

[Montrose]

That is the problem , people took no notice of what was going on in Wuhan and did not listen to those trying ti tell people. Look at us now.

China has good scientists, educated in USA, Australia, UK, and other countries, in very good educational institutions. They can confidently swab surfaces , grow virus, investigate.

Actually the Chinese authorities did cover it up until they couldn’t.

For now I accept all the studies done showing that virus on packaging is low risk and if people wipe (with 70% alcohol) then there is no risk.

 

[umamibella]

Actually the Chinese authorities did cover it up until they couldn’t.

For now I accept all the studies done showing that virus on packaging is low risk and if people wipe (with 70% alcohol) then there is no risk.

Anyone watching the news or social media could see what was going on.

The Chinese cover up rhetoric just propagated an ostrich bury the old head in the sand situation, until other countries could not do that anymore.

Dont drink that koolaide of negating collective national responsibility.

Any spy or intelligence organisation not reporting early on, what was going on, should be sacked.

Building 2 field hospitals in a few weeks screamed get ready world, here I come

 

[Regular_Atheist]

May I recommend Human Scale by Kirkpatrick Sale?

Maybe I’ll give it a go, but could you give me a synopsis? From what perspective does it tackle “big business, big government” and other such things that I can gather from an Amazon synopsis? My first reaction is that it just seems like another book written from the petty bourgeois perspective, attacking the tendency towards their annihilation under capitalism by the process of capital accumulation and centralisation under fewer and fewer firms. “Big business and big government” are not trends that can really be avoided while you have a system based on the accumulation of capital and competition between firms.

 

[Montrose]

Anyone watching the news or social media could see what was going on.

The Chinese cover up rhetoric just propagated an ostrich bury the old head in the sand situation, until other countries could not do that anymore.

Dont drink that koolaide of negating collective national responsibility.

Any spy or intelligence organisation not reporting early on, what was going on, should be sacked.

Building 2 field hospitals in a few weeks screamed get ready world, here I come

Not initially. However, I will stick by existing studies that say packaging is low risk and that nobody so far has contracted the virus through contact with packaging.
Far bigger priorities like getting Americans to stop being so stubborn and follow the guidelines given by the medical experts.

 

[umamibella]

Not initially. However, I will stick by existing studies that say packaging is low risk and that nobody so far has contracted the virus through contact with packaging.
Far bigger priorities like getting Americans to stop being so stubborn and follow the guidelines given by the medical experts.

Yes initially, it was news since New Years day . Blind freddy could see it.

What do you base your judgement on for ‘existing studies’. Which ones, since there are only a handful on this issue.

Americans arent the only ones burying their heads in the sand.

figure this, overnight here 374 new cases and 14 deaths.

 

[Montrose]

Americans arent the only ones burying their heads in the sand.

figure this, overnight here 374 new cases and 14 deaths.

Check again. The US yesterday had a record number of deaths since May. The total deaths yesterday in the US from covid-19 was nearly 1,500.

 

[umamibella]

Check again. The US yesterday had a record number of deaths since May. The total deaths yesterday in the US from covid-19 was nearly 1,500.

I am in Victoria Australia, that is our toll in 24 hrs. For Victoria only, not the whole of Australia.

How many died yesterday vs tested positive yesterday in a 24 hr period.

 

[Montrose]

I am in Victoria Australia, that is our toll in 24 hrs.

How many died yesterday vs tested positive yesterday in a 24 hr period.

Sorry. As I was talking about the US I mistakenly thought you were American.