In a flash, a changed world

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GKMotley said:
I think knowing history is essential. Getting it accurately is difficult.
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Truth!

I have the most recent edition. I’m halfway through, but being a bibliophile, I’m always ready at least two dozen books at the same time! It’s a little problem I have…
 
I don’t know what you mean, but “they” were definitely preparing for the invasion.

So many Purple Hearts were ordered for Operations Olympic and Coronet that our military was still issuing the 1945 medals until 2003!

War is hell. The country was war-weary. And even the Geneva Conventions do not require that a warring power must save enemy lives at all costs.

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StudentMI said:
Either way, many deaths could have been avoided. Like I said, a shame.
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Many deaths WERE avoided.

My mother had 3 brothers fighting in the Pacific theater during WWII, and many friends as well.

Right before the bomb was dropped, the U.S. had 100,000 troops who were assigned to the Pacific theater and were due to ship out within days. 100,000 young men and women, many of whom would surely die, even as many had already died.

So Japan was seeking peace?! Put yourself in the place of the world leaders back then. WHO would be foolish enough to trust a country that had, without provocation, bombed Pearl Harbor on a day which, according to Pres. Roosevelt, would “live in infamy.”

Have you never seen the films (not Hollywood movies–the actual films recorded by people who were actually present) of that horrible event, and read the descriptions of those who suffered and died because of that bombing? Do you realize that there are still 900 sailors entombed in the Arizona under the sea at Pearl Harbor?

Over 2400 Americans died in that bombing, plus 129 Japanese.

In the Pacific theater during WWII, over 65,000 American men and women were killed, and over 211,000 American men and women were wounded or missing (some are still missing).

Put yourself in the place of the families of the 100,000 troops who were ready to ship out and enter that battle.

It was a WAR. Backing away would NOT have brought about peace. The Bomb ENDED the war in the Pacific theater and brought about peace, just as the American/Russian/British assaults in the European theater, which also killed many innocent (? really?) civilians brought about peace.

And consider that for decades now, at least during all the years of my lifetime (I’m 63), Japan has been one of our staunchest allies.

And consider that since those bombs were dropped, no world power has ever dropped another atomic bomb. Apparently the horror of the bombing made quite an impression on the world powers and convinced them of the extreme dangers of a nuclear war.

You simply have to stop judging the past by the present. History has to be studied in the context of the times in which it occurred.
 
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It’s slightly more complicated than that, but yes, that is true. Giangreco first brought the story up (AFAIK), in a short chapter in HIROSHIMA IN HISTORY: THE MYTHS OF REVISIONISM (ed. Maddox), and it is expanded into chapter 18 in his HELL TO PAY.
 
Peeps said:
You simply have to stop judging the past by the present. History has to be studied in the context of the times in which it occurred.
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If people understood this concept things would be a lot different regarding what’s going on in the US currently. Wise words and thank you for your post–I’m glad your uncles were spared.
 
True, as to the target. Smoke, clouds, a problem with a fuel tank feed system and critical fuel for the mission sent Sweeney and crew to Nagasaki.
 
NevermoreLenore said:
If people understood this concept things would be a lot different regarding what’s going on in the US currently. Wise words and thank you for your post–I’m glad your uncles were spared.
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My father was in Hawaii building fences against a Japanese invasion. He did not make it back to the mainland until September 5th.
 
GKMotley said:
THE MYTHS OF REVISIONISM
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Indeed. Revisionism supported by generals Eisenhower and MacArthur and most others “in the room”.

Truman wanted to drop the bomb. Oceans of cash and attention had been spent on them and he wanted to intimidate a rising USSR.

That’s really the end of that story.

Else is armchair “historians” trying to defend a vague western conscience that doesn’t want to feel bad for incinerating tens of thousands and irradiating hundreds of thousands of civilians.
 
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It was wrong, should have never happened, and I fail to see how Catholics can defend this, since it CLEARLY contradicts the Church’s just war doctrine. It is NEVER okay to target non-combatants during a war. EVER. And this may have killed any chance of Japan becoming a Christian country, as Nagasaki was the centre of Japan’s Catholic community, at the time. If someone defends this, they cannot call themselves pro-life. Killing innocent men, women, and children, including PREGNANT women, is not okay.
 
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I believe the circumstances within the US military that led to the 2nd atomic bomb being dropped on Nagasaki had demonic influence behind them, but this is only my personal opinion. It was gravely immoral either way. Catholics and Catholic children or otherwise.

But yeah, there could be millions more Catholics in Japan right now if that small city wasn’t destroyed 75 years ago.
 
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And covered it again in his FROM ROOSEVELT TO TRUMAN.

Both recommended.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
It is NEVER okay to target non-combatants during a war.
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Unfortunately, there are situations wherein EVERY citizen is a combatant. I’m not saying that is the case here, but it’s definitely a situation our military has encountered.
 
TK421 said:
I believe the circumstances within the US military that led to the 2nd atomic bomb being dropped on Nagasaki had demonic influence behind them,
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Can expand on this? (I’m curious, not argumentative)
 
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