In a flash, a changed world

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The suggested reading, above, on the revisionist theories is repeated. Good luck.

And time was blood. The deaths outside the Home Islands, in the mainland portions primarily, were running between 125K-300K per month, in the last 8 months of the war. That is not considering whatever might occur in the HI.

Gruhl’s book is again suggested. And, of course, all the others. Including those I’ve yet to mention.
 
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GKMotley said:
I did? Remind me.
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You have repeatedly in this thread and others confirmed there was talk of an end of the war through other means but you cling to the false narrative that only unconditional surrender would work. You can cite books and throw out titles all you want but you have confirmed exactly what I already knew.
 
No, of course unconditional surrender wasn’t the only way. We could have surrendered to them. Likely to save a lot of lives. We could have not responded to Pearl Harbor with anything more than a strongly worded letter. Always ways to minimize deaths.

Unconditional surrender was the only acceptable way. Just as it was done in Germany. In both cases, we were not going to repeat the WWI experience. Not merely war reparations, territorial shifts, and walk away. Both the kokutai and the total German national polity were going to be dismantled and restructured, nearer to our hearts desire, to avoid another round, as Pershing predicted.

The book recommendations will continue. Good luck.
 
And lovely things they are. Thank you.

The attempt to get the Soviets to accept Prince Konoye’s proposed visit, to discuss how the Soviets might use their (diplomatic phrase) good offices to assist in a negotiated end to the war, was as Togo replied to Sato, not an attempt to surrender, through the Soviets. The method of ending the war was in the hands of the Saiko Senso Shido Kaigo, and locked between the 1 condition faction, usually voiced by Togo, and the 4 condition faction, led by Anami. Neither mattered. The initiative to the Soviets, as Togo said, was not a surrender attempt. And as Sato said, it was a nebulous bit of nattering, that the Soviets had no interest in.

The war could have ended, in a number of ways, at any point in time. It was, in fact, totally under Japan’s control. All they need to was accede to Potsdam. Instead, they gamed it with mokusatsu.

Kort/THE COLUMBIA GUIDE TO HIROSHIMA AND THE BOMB. It is balanced and has a good look at Togo and Sato.

Other books, as appropriate.
 
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Can expand on this? (I’m curious, not argumentative)
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Simply because outside of the Islamic world, the Church in Japan has had it worse than anybody. St Francis Xavier literally went to the ends of the Earth to preach the gospel and the church there was persecuted under the Tokugawa Shoganate so fiercely that no ordained ministers were left. For a long time, the hidden Catholic community there had to baptize & bury the faithful without ever going to Mass.

Fast forward to 1918 and Our Lady warns of an even more terrible war to come after WW1. Nagasaki is selected as a 2nd target (because murdering everybody in one city wasn’t enough) and the Catholic community in Nagasaki is completely obliterated by the US airforce. It was like a second wave of mass death after the persecutions in the Tokugawa Shoganate all of those years ago in the past.

Yeah, it’s all circumstantial and it’s fine if you don’t believe it. I just think the devil really, really loathes the idea of the most isolated country on the opposite side of the world of Rome being evangelized and converted. I’m a believer in the private revelations of the 19th and 20th century.
 
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The bomb killed around 2/3s of the RC population of the Urakami district.

The drop was off target, due to the cloud cover over the city. Which resulted in fewer total killed, but more RCs.
 
Or at least a POTENTIAL combatant, as would have been faced in an invasion.

ICXC NIKA
 
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