In a pluralistic society of different beliefs, does the Christian have the right to impose their religious beliefs on those who do not believe?

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In a pluralistic society of different beliefs, does the Christian have the right to impose their religious beliefs on those who do not believe? That is, do we have the right ,by force of law, to force others to act according to Christian principles.
 
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Our religion forbids murder and rape and stealing and lying under oath.

Gee wiz I’d hate to be imposing my religious beliefs on folks 😜
 
But you must admit that these ideas have a practical sensibility that we can all agree with despite having different beliefs. Nobody wants to be raped. That is why thou shall not steel is agreed with and is rule of law and thou shall not worship false idols is not rule of law.
 
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Our religion forbids murder and rape and stealing and lying under oath.

Gee wiz I’d hate to be imposing my religious beliefs on folks 😜
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Good point. The entire penal system is probably summed up in the 10 Commandments.

I guess anarchy should rule.
 
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may think rape is good, such as the Muslim refugees who have raped European women
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Just because somebody chooses to rape someone does not mean that they think that rape is good. In any case, they themselves would not like to be raped.
 
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Most Civil Lawsuits arise out of the 10 Commandments as well. I guess we must toss out common law.

Let the purge begin.
 
But civil law is not itself an enforcement of Christian beliefs, even if it finds agreement with some of it’s principles. Otherwise all of the ten commandments would be civil law.
 
OP, what “Christian beliefs” do you think need to be removed from civil law?
 
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they themselves would not like to be raped.
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Is that the barometer? That I wouldn’t want something done?

I don’t want to pay taxes. Most Americans don’t (or would rather pay less). Therefore, taxes are immoral, under your definition?

I don’t think that’s a good definition. Many of my fellow men in modern society think watching porn is okay. And even more still watch it regularly. So porn is okay?

That can’t be the litmus test - that most people are okay with it or would or wouldn’t want it done. We can name enough counter examples where that theorum breaks down, especially when the world has become as secular as it is today.
 
No one wants to be raped.

Not wanting to play chess doesn’t cause any practical or emotional harm to anybody, certainly not enough that it be required by law for you to play chess.

Ridiculous.
 
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You obviously have some laws in mind that you think are not appropriate. Why make people guess?
 
The question is in the OP. Like i said Christian belief is not civil law. So asking me what Christian civil laws would i like to remove is nonsensical.
 
IWantGod said:
But you must admit that these ideas have a practical sensibility that we can all agree with despite having different beliefs
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Somebody’s beliefs are going to be imposed.
I guess the question comes down to which beliefs do you want to live under
 
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Not wanting to play chess doesn’t cause any practical or emotional harm to anybody
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You need two people to play chess. If you refuse to play chess with me, you caused me to not be able to play chess, and therefore you hurt me. Yeah, it’s an argument to the absurd, but we live in the absurd today - where you can be sued if you don’t use the right gender pronoun for a person.
 
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“The right to swing my fist ends where it strikes the next person’s nose”, at least as a starting point. Obviously we aren’t going to all agree on everything but that’s why we have a system that allows growth and change over time. I don’t agree with laws that force businesses to close on Sundays for example, there can be arguments for it but in my opinion it’s unduly burdening someone who may not ascribe to Sunday as a day of rest by dictating their business hours. Once upon a time they were fairly common, now they’re becoming more and more rare. That’s how it’s meant to work and it seems to work fine, if slow at times.
 
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They have a duty to present the logic of a well ordered “City of Man” as well and as beautifully attractive and true as they can.

They must not shirk their responsibility to bring about true good for the people of the City of Man.
 
IWantGod said:
In a pluralistic society of different beliefs, does the Christian have the right to impose their religious beliefs on those who do not believe? That is, do we have the right ,by force of law, to force others to act according to Christian principles.
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Why not? 🙂

Of course, the question is rather vague.
IWantGod said:
But you must admit that these ideas have a practical sensibility that we can all agree with despite having different beliefs. Nobody wants to be raped. That is why thou shall not steel is agreed with and is rule of law and thou shall not worship false idols is not rule of law.
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That sure looks like an attempt to impose your political or philosophical views on us. 🙂

More specifically, the view that obligations can only be created with consent.

Sorry, but I have not consented to this idea. 🙂

This idea also seems to be contrary to Catholic faith.
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The question is in the OP. Like i said Christian belief is not civil law. So asking me what Christian civil laws would i like to remove is nonsensical.
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OK, let’s reword the question: what specific Christian beliefs do you want or expect not to be “imposed on others”?

If I remember correctly from the previous discussions, you thought abortion should not be criminalised, right?

But, of course, that would clash with other things you said here:
IWantGod said:
Just because somebody chooses to rape someone does not mean that they think that rape is good. In any case, they themselves would not like to be raped.
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After all, no one wants to be aborted either.

Now, the question like that could also have a different meaning: “Whether it belongs to the human law to repress all vices?”. This specific question is answered by St. Thomas Aquinas in Summa Theologica (First part of the Second part, question 96): http://dhspriory.org/thomas/summa/FS/FS096.html#FSQ96A2THEP1. He writes: “Now human law is framed for a number of human beings, the majority of whom are not perfect in virtue. Wherefore human laws do not forbid all vices, from which the virtuous abstain, but only the more grievous vices, from which it is possible for the majority to abstain; and chiefly those that are to the hurt of others, without the prohibition of which human society could not be maintained: thus human law prohibits murder, theft and such like.”.
 
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