In a pluralistic society of different beliefs, does the Christian have the right to impose their religious beliefs on those who do not believe?

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Would you like oral sex to be illegal?
Since it is implicated in oral cancer and my insurance premiums rise as a result, that may be a good idea, or a risk pool created… Another way is to reward good health practices by reduced premiums.

The point is that risky behaviors cost all of us.

Years ago, private behavior had much less effect on the living costs of others.
 
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news. (Please don’t kill me for this) I do realize that not everyone listens to the Church, which they technically should, but we all do and should know that abortion and birth control are unacceptable in the eyes of the Church. I do realize I sound like a total piece of poop saying this.

I would argue that restricting birth control will only cause more abortions are not the case. If I recall correctly, it was either on LifeNews or Lifesitenews that a former abortionist outright admitted that he lied about the statistics of how many back-alley abortions there were back in the 70s. It turned out that there were only thirty-nine abortions in one of those years. Thirty-Nine.

Again, sorry for sounding like a piece of crap. My two cents on this thread. Have a good day!
 
I would argue that restricting birth control will only cause more abortions are not the case. If I recall correctly, it was either on LifeNews or Lifesitenews that a former abortionist outright admitted that he lied about the statistics of how many back-alley abortions there were back in the 70s. It turned out that there were only thirty-nine abortions in one of those years. Thirty-Nine.
Yes, he did lie, big time. ABC has caused a rise in abortions that become backup birth control. You are right on.
 
Human development has a starting point. Birth, live birth, is not that starting point.
 
peace and warm regards.
There was a great divide on slavery among Christians for a very long time.
The result of not listening to The Divine Revelation put forth always by
The Holy Spirit — was not only the tragedy of The African Americans,
but a deeply sorrowful Civil War. Yes, it was regarding states rights,
but God definitely wanted God’s People to find solutions before such
a horrible war.
Just like in Germany during the 20s and 30s - and 40s; we were called to bring
The Kingdom of God to the secular realms with the Wisdom of The Holy Spirit,
as the people of God before during and after the decision Roe v. Wade;
to every venue of society to bring an end to the mass murder of helpless
children by ideology. The culture of death atmosphere in these facets of society,
including law giving and judiciary ones contributes to murder. Jesus Christ
promised the Wisdom (caring for others) of the Holy Spirit for words and actions.
The deep sorrow of The Holy Spirit is difficult for many to see, because not only the biased media keeps these modern day victims, (the most massive amount of one group
in all of history), hidden — but so do many others - even well meaning persons.
The unwillingness to voice in all these venues does not reflect The courage of The Holy Spirit.
Highly recommended study… Evangelium Vitae(1995) and
Living The Gospel of Life(1998) which give detailed reasons for our suffering as voices
for these helpless children, informing consciences in every venue of society this helping
the parents/mothers and their family and friends.
God be with you,
and have a wonderful day.
 
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Would you like oral sex to be illegal?
Since it is implicated in oral cancer and my insurance premiums rise as a result, that may be a good idea, or a risk pool created… Another way is to reward good health practices by reduced premiums.

The point is that risky behaviors cost all of us.

Years ago, private behavior had much less effect on the living costs of others.
And frequent masturbation reduces the risk of prostrate cancer: https://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/does-frequent-ejaculation-help-ward-off-prostate-cancer

If you want to ban oral sex then I guess we should make masturbation compulsory.

Now if you’ll excuse me…
 
So, are you going to support criminalisation of abortion now?
I don’t know. Why should I? Since all I was talking about was the issue of what reference point we need to use for our foundation for our moral issues in society to guide us in creating laws, specific issues on how to apply that are a separate conversation. I’m just going to stay on that issue since that was what this thread is about and not going to derail it with side conversations that branch out from that point.
Or are you going to discover that we do not happen to agree about “human well-being” either?
We discover that we don’t all agree on how to move forward about specific topics that apply to human well-being, but we all seem to agree that human well-being is the most universal target to apply our moral reference point to for our laws of society. I am just pointing out that the reference point of your favorite book is not universal to everyone as a moral compass for societies to reference their laws to, but human well-being is.
Good, so, just to make sure, are you going to be consistent and rule out teaching Darwinian evolution, since creationists exist?
No, no I am not going to rule out teaching X over Y because you seem to imply that disagreement on how to move forward from the most common reference point is the same thing as disagreeing over what the most common reference point is. As to teaching X over Y, that is a separate issue because X over Y in reference to the point of what reality has presented, the science community has presented as what justifies current understanding of what reality is. This supersedes cultural myths and legends of their version of reality because that, again, is just like the favorite book analogy. Your favorite cultural myths and legends about reality may not be someone else’s favorite cultural myths or legends about reality. However, science doesn’t care about which cultural myths and legends about reality is correct, they care if the predictive model about reality actually matches reality. So if culture A or B has a correct model, science will present that as the best current model so far. Also, if all the cultural myths and legends don’t match the predictive models that science has discovered about reality, they will use those models over people bemoaning their cultural myths and legends not being taught in the science classes but in the anthropology classes.
 
As you can see, actually carrying out what you demand is going to lead to Anarchy. And that simply means that the one with largest stick wins. If you’re very lucky, that ends in Feudalism and not slave-holding society.
Is it just me, or is everyone really tired of the last 30 years of this type of conversation? Stop ginning up the conflict of this conversation into more than it needs to be. It’s just a discussion, not a Fox News panel where everyone cares about having the last word, the loudest voice, and scoring points instead of actually looking at the conversation to see where it leads instead of just painting the bulls-eye around your preconceived conclusions.
 
It’s not valuable to paint with such a broad brush. If I assumed that say, Leftists have been rigidly following a pattern of behavior and actions over the last 30 years, would I be wrong?
 
I’m against anything that impinges on religious freedom.
So you’re okay with child brides for religious freedom? You’re okay with genital mutilation as religious branding for religious freedom? Sorry but there are other things we hold more valuable that your personal religious freedom. Anything you want to do to express your personal beliefs are fine AS LONG AS THEY DO NOT INFRINGE ON OTHER PEOPLE. You are not to use the excuse of religious freedom to harrass anyone else. You can do all the genital mutilation to yourself but not to anyone else. You are not to marry off your child to your pedophile uncle or cousin. You are not to teach magic in science classes. and so on and so on. Hug your favorite toy to your chest all you want. Go find other people that willingly enjoy getting together to hug your favorite toy. But don’t you dare force that upon anyone else that either can not say no and/or can say no but is irrelevant to your ability to continue abusing them under the idea of my child, my freedom to abuse in my own special cultural way.
 
Christian values created the countries that refugees all flock to; so yes, Christian belief should rule and others should be subdued. It’s objectively proven to be the best value system on which to build a society; and we can see what’s happening to those societies in front of our very eyes as those Christian values are being pushed away in favor of secular ones.
 
There are a number of anti-Democratic things written into the Constitution, which, aside from amendments, comes from over 200 years ago when the ruling class did not want to give full control of power to the ordinary folks. For example, every state, regardless of population has equal representation in the Senate. So states with millions and millions of people, like California, Texas, New York and Florida have the same power in Senate as Wyoming and Rhode Island.

Washington DC has more people than Wyoming, but does not have any representatives in Congress that can vote on legislation and only gained power to vote in Presidential elections in the 1960s.

Also, we have the electoral college—where each state has a certain number of votes based on the number of people it has in Congress and the Senate. But, as we saw in 2016, if you win a few states by a tiny margin, you can still win the EC even if you lose the popular vote by more than 2.5 million votes.

So it is a Constitutional Republic, but as far as being a truly representative democratic republic, it is not.
 
As if abortion isn’t policing fetuses. I get tired by people like you. If you don’t think that people’s beliefs should he imposed then you should retain yours in silence and leave us all in peace…
 
Also frequent sex…decreases the probability mind you. I know which one I prefer. The only real question here is for priests if they should be allowed to masturbate for medical reasons.
 
For example, every state, regardless of population has equal representation in the Senate. So states with millions and millions of people, like California, Texas, New York and Florida have the same power in Senate as Wyoming and Rhode Island.
That’s because we live in “United States.” There is a concept of state sovereignty that been diminished over the years.
 
What, you really think that all women have a fun time being pregnant? Do you think Roe v. Wade just popped out of thin air? There was no stopping it. It was inevitable. There will always be differences and disagreements.
Do you think anything has ever happened that was not “inevitable”?

If “Roe v. Wade” was inevitable, why did the sides pay their lawyers? 🙂
We discover that we don’t all agree on how to move forward about specific topics that apply to human well-being, but we all seem to agree that human well-being is the most universal target to apply our moral reference point to for our laws of society. I am just pointing out that the reference point of your favorite book is not universal to everyone as a moral compass for societies to reference their laws to, but human well-being is.
We “only” disagree what is “human” and what is “well-being”.

I’m afraid that there is nothing left.

It means that “human well-being” is a phrase that is too ambiguous to be useful as a “common reference point”.
 
I think that technology will advance and allow people to contracept successfully enough to make it rare.
 
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