… but I cannot see how indiscriminate slaughter of the unborn constitutes as freedom. I wish I could see your point but even after so many years after Roe v. Wade I honestly cannot see it.
You are doing what almost everyone does: You are confusing my personal position (as a Catholic, abortion is always wrong) with my willingness to impose my personal morality on other people (which is also wrong–I respect their right to make their own decisions).
So if you talk about “indiscriminate slaughter of the unborn,” that’s your personal opinion. As I keep saying, other major religions have their own milestones at which they consider the zygote/fetus to be a “human being.” For example Jews and Muslims see the fetus as a human being only after you can detect movement. Is that your view? No. Is it my view? No. But should we (this is the original question of the thread) simply brush aside the opinion of others and impose our views on them? Some seem intent on making this an “absolute morality” vs. liberal atheists question. It’s not. It’s some religions against other religions (and yes, some atheists–but they have rights too!). You can repeat all you want “I’m right! I’m right!” but of course that is nonsense; because you THINK you are right doesn’t give you the right to impose your morality on other people.
The other issue involved here is how many people in the US think abortion should be illegal in all circumstances. I gave a link to a 2017 Gallup poll that traced this question from 1975 through 2017. In 1975, it was 22%. In 2017 it was 18%. Meanwhile, the percentage of people who thought abortion should either “always” be legal or that it should be legal “under certain circumstances” increased from 75% to 79%. So if you take the position that the US should make all abortions illegal, you are saying that 18% of the population should set the rules for 79% of the population. That is just ridiculous. It doesn’t matter how passionate you are about the subject–you’ve have 45 YEARS to persuade people of the rightness of your cause, but in fact the numbers have shifted the other way–22% supported making abortion illegal in 1975; now it’s only 18%.
The third issue was “Gee, I really don’t like abortion! What should I do?” And I strongly suggested that you remove the financial burden of having a baby. And I quoted statistics showing that in the developed countries that supported new mothers in all sorts of financial ways, abortion was lowest. So if you TRULY believe that abortion is an “intrinsic evil,” you should be voting for all sorts of social programs that would support mothers so they don’t feel compelled to have abortions because they can’t afford a (or another) baby.
At this point I’ve repeated myself so many times I’ve lost count. And new people are joining in and instead of reading the posts–or at least my posts–from the beginning, they are attacking points I have explained multiple times in earlier posts. So it’s been fun, but I’m out. Argue among yourselves, and I’m sure I’ll see some of you in other threads!
