In my heart, not truly open to life (NFP question)

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To get straight to the point, I have an incredible and deeply loved one year old, but I feel my heart is hardening against the idea of more children. I am currently undergoing a long process of healing from great spiritual desolation over the past three years. I hope very much that this will help to reorient my heart and I will trust God’s will for my life again, but in the meantime, my husband and I are using NFP as faithfully as possible to delay conception.

We do not use any other barrier and, should I conceive unexpectedly, we obviously would welcome the next child into our lives. But, in my heart, I am absolutely not open to life. I do not want another child for the foreseeable future… If it were 100% my choice, which it absolutely isn’t, I’d be done for good-- that’s where I am right now.

Is it okay that my husband and I are intimate when I am unlikely to get pregnant even though I am fearful, distrusting, and dreading another pregnancy? It just doesn’t seem like it aligns with the spirit of NFP. Am I lying to God and my husband by saying yes with my body while my heart is screaming no and praying that this moment doesn’t end in a new life?
 
This is why, in my heart, I cannot remotely agree with the Church’s moving of all kinds contraception into the realm of mortal sin, even if (were I married) I would feel bound to follow that teaching, and understand the principles that underlie it. It’s emotionally destructive.

I can’t answer as to whether you are “lying” to anyone in how this works in your life. Apart from anything else, I am not married. Have you spoken to your husband? How does he feel? A discussion with him, and with Our Lord, might make things clearer and easier for you, and see what happens.

Perian, however this turns out for you, and whatever sort of decision you might come to, you and your husband are in my prayers.

God bless you.
 
Is it okay that my husband and I are intimate when I am unlikely to get pregnant even though I am fearful, distrusting, and dreading another pregnancy? It just doesn’t seem like it aligns with the spirit of NFP. Am I lying to God and my husband by saying yes with my body while my heart is screaming no and praying that this moment doesn’t end in a new life?
You should find a good spiritual adviser, someone holy.

Have you discussed this with your husband?

Have you discussed the reasons for dreading another pregnancy with a medical professional?
 
To get straight to the point, I have an incredible and deeply loved one year old, but I feel my heart is hardening against the idea of more children. I am currently undergoing a long process of healing from great spiritual desolation over the past three years. I hope very much that this will help to reorient my heart and I will trust God’s will for my life again, but in the meantime, my husband and I are using NFP as faithfully as possible to delay conception.

We do not use any other barrier and, should I conceive unexpectedly, we obviously would welcome the next child into our lives. But, in my heart, I am absolutely not open to life. I do not want another child for the foreseeable future… If it were 100% my choice, which it absolutely isn’t, I’d be done for good-- that’s where I am right now.

Is it okay that my husband and I are intimate when I am unlikely to get pregnant even though I am fearful, distrusting, and dreading another pregnancy? It just doesn’t seem like it aligns with the spirit of NFP. Am I lying to God and my husband by saying yes with my body while my heart is screaming no and praying that this moment doesn’t end in a new life?
The main thing is that you are acting in accordance with God’s will despite your feelings that you do not want another child right now. You are not lying to anyone by your actions.

Feelings have their place, but they are not supposed to be in charge of us, because they are erratic and dependent on too many other things. Would you say a mother was lying if, after a terrible day at work, she felt like yelling at everyone in her family and she *didn’t? *Of course not.

You have these feelings right now, which could be due to any number of things, but are acting properly. I hope you will recover from your spiritual desolation, too.
 
Have you discussed the reasons for dreading another pregnancy with a medical professional?
Maybe she just doesn’t want any more children. Doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with her.
 
I think it is time for you to seek spiritual counsel with a trusted Priest. You have identified the real root of your distress as spiritual, so seek a spiritual solution. Do all that He tells you through the Priest. Catholic counseling could also help. Keep in mind that love is an action as well as a feeling and the more we act lovingly, the more love we have and experience. Nurture the love in your heart and it will grow.

Another thing, have you tried praying specifically for a softer heart or as Scripture says, to be rid of your stoney heart and be given the Heart of God to love with? It could be as easy as praying in a more specific way for whatever you believe is wrong to be gone each day in your Rosary intentions. I’ve found that many Catholics have to be actually told to pray for specific stuff and it doesn’t come natural to ask for everything they need healed in prayer. This is part of the direction given in spiritual direction - to never be afraid to ask for whatever you need in prayer and then to trust God and the Saints with the object/subject of that prayer and let it go. You sound like you are at least open to finding a solution and this is very important. I will pray for you and your little family that the love of God may lead you were your fears are keeping you from going.

Glenda
 
Maybe she just doesn’t want any more children. Doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with her.
If the intent is to avoid pregnancy during sex then NFP is not different as other forms of contraception. I never bought into the idea that NFP is OK because there is always a “chance” of getting pregnant. This reasoning seems terribly contrived and reduces relationships to a game of roulette.
 
If the intent is to avoid pregnancy during sex then NFP is not different as other forms of contraception. I never bought into the idea that NFP is OK because there is always a “chance” of getting pregnant. This reasoning seems terribly contrived and reduces relationships to a game of roulette.
That is a dumb reason and no reputable Catholic thinker uses it.

There’s always a chance of pregnancy, as long as the relevant organs are still present and functioning.

Also, vasectomies can spontaneously heal. As they say in Jurassic Park, life will find a way.

See the section here on “Recanalization”:

nytimes.com/health/guides/surgery/vasectomy/vasectomy-surgery.html
 
The main thing is that you are acting in accordance with God’s will despite your feelings that you do not want another child right now. You are not lying to anyone by your actions.

Feelings have their place, but they are not supposed to be in charge of us, because they are erratic and dependent on too many other things. Would you say a mother was lying if, after a terrible day at work, she felt like yelling at everyone in her family and she *didn’t? *Of course not.

You have these feelings right now, which could be due to any number of things, but are acting properly. I hope you will recover from your spiritual desolation, too.
That’s right. The OP is being open to life in practicing NFP and by acknowledging that she would welcome any surprise child with open arms. It would be great if she were feeling friendlier toward the idea of more children, but it is quite natural to not actively want a new baby when one currently has a baby (if not an actual infant) and is having emotional and spiritual trouble.

I also recommend Simcha Fisher’s excellent “Sinner’s Guide to NFP.” Fisher is one of our great treasures.

Best wishes!
 
If the intent is to avoid pregnancy during sex then NFP is not different as other forms of contraception. I never bought into the idea that NFP is OK because there is always a “chance” of getting pregnant. This reasoning seems terribly contrived and reduces relationships to a game of roulette.
Taking advantage of our knowledge of the differing effects God built in to women’s cycles has been approved by the Church–do you accept the authority of the Church in matters of faith and morals?

The couple with a serious reason to avoid conception and using NFP is not frustrating the end of the marital act–they are *not engaging *in the act during the time most likely to result in pregnancy.

If God had wanted women to be fertile all the time, He would have made it so.
 
On the contrary, I think your obedience even in the face of weariness is beautiful.
 
To get straight to the point, I have an incredible and deeply loved one year old, but I feel my heart is hardening against the idea of more children. I am currently undergoing a long process of healing from great spiritual desolation over the past three years. I hope very much that this will help to reorient my heart and I will trust God’s will for my life again, but in the meantime, my husband and I are using NFP as faithfully as possible to delay conception.

We do not use any other barrier and, should I conceive unexpectedly, we obviously would welcome the next child into our lives. But, in my heart, I am absolutely not open to life. I do not want another child for the foreseeable future… If it were 100% my choice, which it absolutely isn’t, I’d be done for good-- that’s where I am right now.

Is it okay that my husband and I are intimate when I am unlikely to get pregnant even though I am fearful, distrusting, and dreading another pregnancy? It just doesn’t seem like it aligns with the spirit of NFP. Am I lying to God and my husband by saying yes with my body while my heart is screaming no and praying that this moment doesn’t end in a new life?
Perian, one of the ‘side effects’ of spiritual desolation and depression is the temptation to think in absolutes. Try and recognise or trust that how you feel today is not how you will always feel. It was one of the great blessings of my life to realise that fact eventually.

By doing natural family planning you are already showing respect for your body’s creative ability whether you are attempting to fall pregnant or to avoid pregnancy. It is that that constitutes an ‘openness to life’, so don’t worry about that aspect.

Do get some sort of counselling though, if you aren’t already. God bless.
 
Perian, one of the ‘side effects’ of spiritual desolation and depression is the temptation to think in absolutes. Try and recognise or trust that how you feel today is not how you will always feel. It was one of the great blessings of my life to realise that fact eventually.

By doing natural family planning you are already showing respect for your body’s creative ability whether you are attempting to fall pregnant or to avoid pregnancy. It is that that constitutes an ‘openness to life’, so don’t worry about that aspect.

Do get some sort of counselling though, if you aren’t already. God bless.
Yes.

The fact that I feel one way doesn’t mean I’ll feel the same way six months or a year or three years from now. I personally have found that from one year to two years post-partum, there can be an amazing emotional metamorphosis. The OP may need a little help to make that happen, though, if she’s in a holding pattern.
 
You should find a good spiritual adviser, someone holy.

Have you discussed this with your husband?

Have you discussed the reasons for dreading another pregnancy with a medical professional?
Maybe she just doesn’t want any more children. Doesn’t mean there’s something wrong with her.
We don’t know that there isn’t something medical going on here.
  • Did she have a very difficult pregnancy - we don’t know.
  • Was the delivery a horrible experience, perhaps the medical staff had the bedside manner of a twig -* we don’t know.*
  • Is she suffering from a form of postpartum depression - once again we don’t know.
So, it would seem reasonable suggestion to discuss the situation with a medical professional if these or other reasons are affecting her position - even if there isn’t any medical issue it’s better to make sure than to leave that thread lose. So many bad things have happened that could have been avoided had a simple conversation between a Mother and her OB/GYN or even a G.P. had occurred; therefore, *** I’ll stand by that suggestion!***
 
Thank you sincerely to everyone who offered encouragement and reassurance. As is true for many people, my inner voice is not very charitable these days and it means a great deal to me that those of you who have offered kind words and even prayers have taken the time to comfort a fearful soul. You have been Christ to me in this message.

To answer the questions and offer more background, I have spoken to my husband. It’s actually his response that has brought my fears far enough to the surface to finally seek advice. He wants another child soon. We have recently moved home after law school and he is settling into a new job. We just haven’t hit our stride yet with a balance of help with the baby, time together, and all the rest that comes with times of transition. Often, I feel overwhelmed and alone. I’ve given up everything that composed my very simple, uncluttered life before the baby and to be told that my husband wants to volunteer me for double the work when I haven’t even regained the vestiges of my small joys from this baby… It makes me feel unheard. He’s gone so much, he doesn’t understand the implications of his desires-- I hear, I want your life smaller. Less of you, more of the children I spend so little time with thanks to my long working hours.

The original topic is becoming derailed, so I digress. I hope to find spiritual direction soon. I’m new all over again to my hometown so I don’t know who to turn to yet, but that’s not the problem of anyone here. All will be well.
 
We don’t know that there isn’t something medical going on here.
  • Did she have a very difficult pregnancy - we don’t know.
  • Was the delivery a horrible experience, perhaps the medical staff had the bedside manner of a twig -* we don’t know.*
  • Is she suffering from a form of postpartum depression - once again we don’t know.
So, it would seem reasonable suggestion to discuss the situation with a medical professional if these or other reasons are affecting her position - even if there isn’t any medical issue it’s better to make sure than to leave that thread lose. So many bad things have happened that could have been avoided had a simple conversation between a Mother and her OB/GYN or even a G.P. had occurred; therefore, *** I’ll stand by that suggestion!***
I appreciate this suggestion and the allowances you make for the unknown. You’re right, I do need professional help. I should’ve been in counseling years and years ago and the experience of taking care of a high needs baby, away from family, with a husband in his final year of law school has exacerbated so many fears and feelings of abandonment, disillusionment, and betrayal, both toward my husband and God. I feel as though the last three years of my life have been a punishment for respondin to God’s call.
 
Thank you sincerely to everyone who offered encouragement and reassurance. As is true for many people, my inner voice is not very charitable these days and it means a great deal to me that those of you who have offered kind words and even prayers have taken the time to comfort a fearful soul. You have been Christ to me in this message.

To answer the questions and offer more background, I have spoken to my husband. It’s actually his response that has brought my fears far enough to the surface to finally seek advice. He wants another child soon. We have recently moved home after law school and he is settling into a new job. We just haven’t hit our stride yet with a balance of help with the baby, time together, and all the rest that comes with times of transition. Often, I feel overwhelmed and alone. I’ve given up everything that composed my very simple, uncluttered life before the baby and to be told that my husband wants to volunteer me for double the work when I haven’t even regained the vestiges of my small joys from this baby… It makes me feel unheard. He’s gone so much, he doesn’t understand the implications of his desires-- I hear, I want your life smaller. Less of you, more of the children I spend so little time with thanks to my long working hours.

The original topic is becoming derailed, so I digress. I hope to find spiritual direction soon. I’m new all over again to my hometown so I don’t know who to turn to yet, but that’s not the problem of anyone here. All will be well.
Nah, I think this is very much related and on-topic.

That’s a conversation you need to have.

I have a friend who has a similar situation (husband in big professional job with long hours that doesn’t do a lot at home or see the kids much but wants more kids) and I think it’s a pretty big deal (and a second child is a big deal). I think it does make sense to reach some sort of equilibrium before moving forward.

By the way, talk to your pediatrician about his or her opinion of a good time for your 1-year-old to start a group setting. My pediatrician OKed it before 2 years and recommended starting in the summer in order to avoid starting during cold and flu season. Apparently, there’s a point at which the child matures to the point where ear infections are less likely. I love preschool and parents’ day out (although I had to pull my oldest out of preschool because of repeated illness). Our local parents’ day out is 5.5 hours for $15, so about $60 for a month. We started our youngest just a month before she turned 2. That’s younger than we’ve gone with our older kids (they started preschool and PDO at 3+ and nearly 3.5), but so far it’s been a glorious success. If baby starts getting sick repeatedly, I may have to pull her out, but she’s been in about 5 or 6 weeks so far and it’s been fabulous. I’ve caught up my email to only being about three weeks late, I got a haircut, I got a flu shot–it’s great. I may even manage a mammogram in a month or so.

I’m a huge fan of PDO. For me, it removes the sense of crisis or impending doom. If I remember anything I’m behind on, I just think to myself, “I’ll do it on PDO day, so I don’t need to think about it now.”

Another thing, if you have the funds, regular cleaning help could be very nice. That’s another thing that removes a lot of stress and sense of impending doom. Rather than thinking, “There’s the dirt that I have to deal with or it’s only going to get worse!!!” I can think, “Oh, dirt. Cleaning lady is coming Wednesday.”

Bear in mind that your husband is a newbie and he probably hasn’t figured out how stuff works. Here’s a true story that I’ve heard a couple of times.

Wife: [cleaning up under ground zero under toddler’s highchair after one of toddler’s 6 daily meals]
Husband: We have a cleaning lady. Why do you need to do that?

A friend had that conversation recently, I think I may have had it, and I suspect that yet another friend had it, too. It is a very revealing conversation, because it shows that in each case, the husband seriously believed that it was possible to feed a child 6 times a day, 30 days a month, with peas, pureed squash, oatmeal and Cheerios flying everywhere, and for a monthly or twice monthly cleaning to keep their kitchen from turning into a landfill/ant farm. My friend’s husband had fought her long and hard on getting a cleaning lady but finally gave up and they had that conversation once they had help coming. The conversation explains so much of why he didn’t orginally want her to have a cleaning lady–if you parse it out, he seriously believed that all the cleaning that needs to be done at home can be done with a heavy cleaning twice a month, and there’s no need to clean up anything in between.

I say this not to husband-bash, but just to explain that there is a learning curve involved for daddies, just as there is for mommies, and your husband may not be clear on exactly how much work is involved in just keeping your home from turning into an indoor landfill. He may also not understand what your needs for downtime are. Don’t keep him in the dark.

Work that out, and the second baby thing may be easy to resolve.

Good luck!
 
I appreciate this suggestion and the allowances you make for the unknown. You’re right, I do need professional help. I should’ve been in counseling years and years ago and the experience of taking care of a high needs baby, away from family, with a husband in his final year of law school has exacerbated so many fears and feelings of abandonment, disillusionment, and betrayal, both toward my husband and God. I feel as though the last three years of my life have been a punishment for respondin to God’s call.
If you work with a counselor and talking to your husband by yourself doesn’t do the job, it might be a good idea to talk to your husband with a counselor or priest. It sounds like your well-being should be your family’s priority right now.
 
I appreciate this suggestion and the allowances you make for the unknown. You’re right, I do need professional help. I should’ve been in counseling years and years ago and the experience of taking care of a high needs baby, away from family, with a husband in his final year of law school has exacerbated so many fears and feelings of abandonment, disillusionment, and betrayal, both toward my husband and God. I feel as though the last three years of my life have been a punishment for respondin to God’s call.
Our first child was a “good” baby, and yet she was an emotional and energy drain on both my wife and myself… then we had the twins, that ended up in the NICU for a few weeks… so I can empathize with where you are with baby :yup:

Away from family, I can only assume means that like my wife and myself, the family is in a different state (region)… DO NOT FORGET TH - of course, we are blessed with good parents that we can call and although not able to be here physically were certainly there for us emotionally… and still are!

Sounds like a dark-time-of-the-soul. Something I have observed while posting here, helping in RCIA, and just being a sounding board as a counselor: IMHO: Satin takes our weak times, when we’re ill, when bad things happen (water heater goes out), when we lose loved ones, etc… and whispers in our ear: god doesn’t love you, you are alone, there’s nothing out there for you. Fr. T points out to our RCIA candidates, these dark are the times when we need to go to our friends and families, our spouses, our medical providers, our Priests, and our Lord - we’re not supposed to fight everything by ourselves. I also look to the Book of Job in times like this… bad things happen to good people, for no real reason, except that the evil one hates us - but God loves us more than evil can hate.

I hope your husband wont take offense… but :hug1::hug1::hug3::hug3:
Included you in my prayers at Mass today.
 
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