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Seminarian_Matt
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Not true.
(From the Catechism of Saint Pope Pius X)
32 Q: What should a Christian do who has been given a Bible by a Protestant or by an agent of the Protestants?
A: A Christian to whom a Bible has been offered by a Protestant or an agent of the Protestants should reject it with disgust, because it is forbidden by the Church. If it was accepted by inadvertence, it must be burnt as soon as possible or handed in to the Parish Priest.
33 Q: Why does the Church forbid Protestant Bibles?
A: The Church forbids Protestant Bibles because, either they have been altered and contain errors, or not having her approbation and footnotes explaining the obscure meanings, they may be harmful to the Faith. It is for that same reason that the Church even forbids translations of the Holy Scriptures already approved by her which have been reprinted without the footnotes approved by her.
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Romans12
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Interesting… I wasn’t aware of this… I assume it doesn’t apply to “traditional” Protestant bible sources like the KJ versions that DO include the additional books though???
I’d like to add that I have been informed they do exist… although I dont have a copy
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lak611
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Check out this article by Jimmy Akin about choosing a Bible translation.Interesting… I wasn’t aware of this… I assume it doesn’t apply to “traditional” Protestant bible sources like the KJ versions that DO include the additional books though???
I’d like to add that I have been informed they do exist… although I dont have a copy
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juliamajor
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It depends on what you want the bible for- inspiration or study. If you want to read it for comfort find a catholic edition of any bible that you feel comfortable with. If Study you can’t beat the New oxford rsv catholic edition-lots of notes&references. remember though any translation is an interpretation some more literal than others(literal is not always the best)I have many bibles many translations and use a parallel bible frequently- what one bible translation might obscure- usually because of unclear language- you might be able to understand in another.All have their pro and cons.I’m surprised that no one has mentioned the New jerusalem Translation. It is very elegant highly readable and very beautiful and more difficult to get a copy of. Welcome Back!
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Joel_Tunnah
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Unfortunately I don’t know of an edition of the NAB (New American Bible) that doesn’t contain the introductions and footnotes which do a quite thorough job of hacking apart traditional catholic beliefs. That they’re proudly posted on the USCCB and vatican websites is beyond belief.
The unknown author, whom we shall continue to call Matthew for the sake of convenience…
Sorry, but this is contrary to 1900 years of catholic belief, and the unanimous opinions of the church fathers. That’s only one example.
The post-A.D. 70 date is confirmed within the text by Matthew 22:7, which refers to the destruction of Jerusalem.
Interesting! Christ wasn’t able to predict the future. Thank you Historical-Critical method!
Imprimatur or no, at least a copy of the King James, or English Standard Version will never contain notes like these, and when there’s a question about OT translation they consistantly side with the messianic view - unlike their “catholic” counterparts. The RSV’s notes are just as bad, or worse.
As others have posted, get the Douay-Rheims. Baronius Press makes the nicest edition.
The unknown author, whom we shall continue to call Matthew for the sake of convenience…
Sorry, but this is contrary to 1900 years of catholic belief, and the unanimous opinions of the church fathers. That’s only one example.
The post-A.D. 70 date is confirmed within the text by Matthew 22:7, which refers to the destruction of Jerusalem.
Interesting! Christ wasn’t able to predict the future. Thank you Historical-Critical method!
Imprimatur or no, at least a copy of the King James, or English Standard Version will never contain notes like these, and when there’s a question about OT translation they consistantly side with the messianic view - unlike their “catholic” counterparts. The RSV’s notes are just as bad, or worse.
As others have posted, get the Douay-Rheims. Baronius Press makes the nicest edition.
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juliamajor
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THanks but I’m happy with my RSV NJB and parallels which contain DRV. .whether Matthew wrote “matthew” or not to me is really not important I know it was inspired.Just like Isaiah is thought to be written at three different times by different people or groups does not devalue it in any manner. It is still true,inspired, & holy.It is a needless controversy.The message is more important then the messenger. Origen disputed Hebrews -james was disputed my origen & eusebius as of uncertain pedigree- are they not inspired? As for translations neither KJV or DRV are be all and end all. and each generation translates it so it is more understandable to the next.Language can make a difference as to whether a person grasps what is being said or not.No translation is flawless.Only the Word is.That’s why bible translaters pour over Codices,targums manuscripts and any little piece of papyri that might be a more authentic and truer- it is not a job I would want. Pax
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juliamajor
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oh I was on EWTN it said the Pius x catechism was not prescribed for us.
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Joel_Tunnah
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Are you happy with the New Jerusalem Bible’s translation of Genesis 1:2 as “divine wind” instead of Spirit of God?
How about Psalm 22:16 as “hack off my hands and feet” instead of “pierce my hands and feet”?
Small things? No. They are indicative of the translators’ theology - and it’s not Catholic. Actually it’s not even christian!
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Jaypeeto4
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Pope Pius XII is more recent than the Catechism of St. Pius X.
Pius XII urged that Catholics cooperate with the “separated brethren” (Protestants and Orthodox) in producing Bible translations. The Revised Standard Version 2nd Catholic Edition is a good example of this cooperation. Both Protestants AND Catholics use it. It is superb.
Some Protestant Bibles are problematic.
The NIV is one of them, I don’t find it a very good translation.
Not “awful,” but not that good either.
The Catholic NAB is not a bad translation,
but some of the study notes in it can be dangerous to your faith and I am appalled that the Bishops allow this bible, with those Modernist notes, to continue to be published as-is.
Anyway, since Pius XII’s exhortation, we no longer have
to ipso-facto just throw away a bible because it’s origin is Protestant. Use of discernment, however, is always good.
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Pius XII urged that Catholics cooperate with the “separated brethren” (Protestants and Orthodox) in producing Bible translations. The Revised Standard Version 2nd Catholic Edition is a good example of this cooperation. Both Protestants AND Catholics use it. It is superb.
Some Protestant Bibles are problematic.
The NIV is one of them, I don’t find it a very good translation.
Not “awful,” but not that good either.
The Catholic NAB is not a bad translation,
but some of the study notes in it can be dangerous to your faith and I am appalled that the Bishops allow this bible, with those Modernist notes, to continue to be published as-is.
Anyway, since Pius XII’s exhortation, we no longer have
to ipso-facto just throw away a bible because it’s origin is Protestant. Use of discernment, however, is always good.
Jaypeeto4
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juliamajor
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Yup Sure am ! Just as I am happy with my NEV my RSV,NJB,NIV KJV NASB DRV my LXX and all my other bible translation.Only one I’d say is really corrupt would be JW’s New World Translation. Absolute ****- deliberate in the errors they made- hiding the fact from the public that no real greek or hebrew scholars even worked on it. as far as the genesis quote my rsv says"wind of God sweeping over the earth"Divine wind in NJB is not that much different again it is the LXX that has that meaning.in herew text the word is"ruah" which can mean spirit,wind or breath- similar to Greek pnuema (ruah means air in motion) If you exegete it and go from literist to literal we see that “water” is a symbol for chaos- so when itsays the wind of God or Divine wind it means chaos was never beyond God’s power.Light over comes dark all that good stuff.
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juliamajor
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Thanks jaypeeto4-exactly-Also Dei verbum should be read by all who want to know what the catholic take on the bible is.I agree NIV is not the best nor is NAB peace
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Zooey
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And I just checked the Vulgate. St Jerome says, “spiritus dei”, which is literally, “breeze of [from] God”. Can’t beat St Jerome!!
Hey, you’ve got some
really good Bibles there!! (I have to agree about the JW’s Bible…It’s pathetic).
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Cranch
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I have seen one Latin translation tool use breeze, but the Latin “spiritus” I think more often means breath, breathing, soul, life, or air. Also spirit (Spiritus Sancti). I would use “aura” for breeze.
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Joel_Tunnah
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I just checked as many online latin translators as I could find, and they all said “breath, breathing, life, spirit”. None said “breeze”.
But even not knowing a lick of latin, if two of the possible translations for spiritus were “wind” and “spirit”, what would the justification be for a team of catholic scholars to choose wind?
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juliamajor
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because “ruah” from MT (hebrew) can mean wind breath or spirit.LXX(greek) pneuma has similar meaning-wind breath or spirit.Spirit of God and Divine Wind are not that far apart.
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Zooey
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Going back to the creation narratives of Genesis, when God creates humankind, it is said, that God “breathed into him, and man became a living soul”…Because, as Julia points out,ruach and pneuma both mean wind or breath.
They all mean the same thing…It’s a question of phraseology, not of accuracy of translation…
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Michael_G
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No, I have to agree with anyone who states that the New American Catholic Bible is bad news because of its commentary in its footnotes, and introductions etc, is to often either heretical or borders on herasy. These so Called scholars are not going over more authentic or truer piece of payri, they are arriving at their conclusions, by denying miracles of Christ, by reaching the conclusions that gospels were not written until after the death of apostles, by denying what church fathers stated as to who wrote the gospels. If Mathew didn’t write Mathew and other gospels were not written by their authors than we begin to have ever greater problem in claim authenticiy of the writings at all. When these so called scholars deny the sacred tradion of the church we no longer have a leg to stand on. Father Corpi will tell you the same things on EWTn. The New American is not good.
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Intercessor55
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**I am a protestant looking for a Catholic Bible. Amazon.com has paperback versions- cheap! In D-R, RSV and NAB. My question is WHAT IS ARE ST. JOSEPH AND ST. IGNATIUS BIBLES??? THEY COME IN ALL VERSIONS.
THANKS.**
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Mattjolley
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This may help: tanbooks.com/audio/wbsyr.pdf
But thats not to say I’m a Douay Rheims salesman! It’s just the best traditional Catholic translation, thats agiven in most poster’s opinions here, including mine.
But I love the RSV 2nd edition and the Jerusalem Bible/New Jerusalem Bible too. I read whichever of these my mood dictates, or it can depend on what passage I’m after, or I often compare passages.
I guess its all personal preference, whether you want to go for the traditional D-R langauge, or want a more readable modern-ish version like the RSV-CE 2nd edition, or the NJB.
I like to have a mix, but its up to you which to go for right now since you can’t really rush out and buy three different translations! But don’t worry, my collection grew over a few months, and I started with the Douay-Rheims.
Since you’re household has a KJV, shudders you’d probably be best going for the Douay Rheims.
Good luck, and as a Catholic who came back to his faith in March, I can say it truly is a great feeling to come back, so I share in your joy!
Matt
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