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Br.Rich_SFO
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WE are saved by God’s Grace, through our Faith, Manifested in works.
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DeniseTOCarm
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Jesus died on the cross for our salvation, by the Grace of God we know this by faith and live our life in obedience to Him.
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Melchior
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Let me push this a little further.
If someone were on their deathbed and they asked you: What must I do to be saved? How would you answer?
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If someone were on their deathbed and they asked you: What must I do to be saved? How would you answer?
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YinYangMom
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Ok, I hear ya…but I’m still confused…
why then, does the current catechism NOT use the wording you used as the answer for the question about salvation?
And again, I’m not challenging you, just trying to understand the differences better.
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Charles
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I’d tell them to accept the free gift of Grace from God and live a holy life, for however long they have. If they had not been Baptized and were in immenent danger of immediate death I would Baptize them, otherwise, if this was their choice, I would get a Priest to offer them the applicable sacraments.
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Apologia100
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It took Jesus Christ 3 years to get the point across, what makes anyone think they can condense this fundamental issue into one sentence?
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YinYangMom
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I was always told the person who, at the hour of their death, calls for the name of Jesus - truly believing at that instant that Jesus IS the Son of God and the way to salvation - will be saved.
Remember, even the gravest sinner on death row, can be saved if only he calls on Jesus (with a sincere heart, of course).
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Melchior
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I assume you would add “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ”?
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Charles
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Since it was the sacrifice Christ made for us as the Lamb of God which was the offering for that Grace, then, yes, it would be necessary to believe that Jesus was the Christ, the Lamb of God, and the means God had for bridging the gap between himself and us to deliver that Grace.
This would be a part of living the holy life I mentioned earlier. It is an article of Faith and Faith is one of the Works God asks of us to manifest our choice to accept His Grace.
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copland
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To begin, it requires 1) repentance 2) faith 3) and baptism. But after that you live a life of 1) repentance 2) faith 3) and confession. That is as simple as I have ever heard it.
Repentance, faith, and confession is what Paul means by “working out your salvation with fear and trembling.” That should be the life of a Catholic.
Repentance, faith, and confession is what Paul means by “working out your salvation with fear and trembling.” That should be the life of a Catholic.
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EENS
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The current catechism is not infallible. It has many errors, which the Pope himself has had to correct. There is no point in trying to conform what is said infallibly to what is said fallibly. We should merely recognize that what is said fallibly is just that: fallible. We must take what is infallible over what is fallible. God bless.
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YinYangMom
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So you’re saying I shouldn’t refer to my Catechism book as one of my primary sources of reference because it’s wrong? Being fallible is the same as being incorrect?
I’m still confused
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JohnCarroll
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In case of Death Bed?
‘Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner,’
‘Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner,’
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T.A.Stobie_SFO
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No the catechism is an excellent reference and it contains infallible teachings of the church. It is the wording itself that is not necessarily infallible.
The reason was it was updated was to make some of the wording more clear.
The reason was it was updated was to make some of the wording more clear.
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YinYangMom
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T.A.Stobie:
Whew! What a relief! I was getting worried there. So T.A. Stobie…I still don’t understand, then, why EENS doesn’t consider what I read in the Catechism as binding or true. Do you understand his position???
Whew! What a relief! I was getting worried there. So T.A. Stobie…I still don’t understand, then, why EENS doesn’t consider what I read in the Catechism as binding or true. Do you understand his position???
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T.A.Stobie_SFO
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YinYangMom said:
I too am confused by his position.
The catechism is an excellent tool, a gift from the Church to its people, clearly inspired by God. It is well-referenced both to bible and other Church documents. I do not believe he will or can find any doctrinal errors in it. Maybe a place a two where better wording can be used to express the point, but that it about it. I have read the Catechism cover to cover many times and still marvel at the wisdom and truth of it contents.
Pope John Paul II has given us a wonderful gift in the Catechism.
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JohnCarroll
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I agree. Knowing how we are saved may not help . We don’t need a check list while on our death bed, we need Mercy and a heart turned toward God.
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kwitz
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The problem is that EENS defines salvation through the Catholic Church differently than the pope and councils do. He insists that only through formal membership in the Church can one be saved. Whereas, current teaching says that, yes someone not formally a Catholic can receive graces and yes that person can be saved BUT salvation if it happens somehow (in ways we don’t completely understand) comes through the Church. He will quote a bunch of popes and saints at us but not one that I have read says that actual, formal membership is what is meant by no salvation outside the Church.
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SteveG
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By trusting that salvation is totally dependent on the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ; and behaving as if it totally depended on us.
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YinYangMom
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I get that he’s putting his foundation of Catholic understanding on the Pope’s writings themselves, but I don’t understand why if one can be so Catholic and believe so fervently in the infallability of the Popes that they could so easily dismiss the teachings of those same Popes throughout subsequent years which has resulted in the Catechism. That is where the Catechism comes from, isn’t it? The overall teachings of the Church over the years in one place? Maybe I’m wrong.
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