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Robert_Heibel
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If it isn’t in the Word of God (the Bible if you dont’ know where to find the Word of God) it didn’t come from Jesus.
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Trelow
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Robert Heibel:
And according to John 1:1 the Word is Jesus, not the bible. In fact the bible is never mentioned.
I don’t recollect Jesus telling Peter to let his wife get raped.
And according to John 1:1 the Word is Jesus, not the bible. In fact the bible is never mentioned.
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edward_george
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Very sadly, this is precisely what we’ve been trying to do for the last two pages of posts. Whenever we succeed, you either ignore us or tack on a non-sequitur Scriptural citation that is entirely subject to your own self-righteous interpretation.
May the Holy Spirit guide you to truth.
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Trelow
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Robert Heibel:
Oh well, it’s been fun.
I checked my bible again. Didn’t find you there.
Oh well, it’s been fun.
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JSmitty2005
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Robert Heibel:
PS - I suggest that you go to my website and read over the things I have written as well as go to the webpages that I’ve linked to on my site and read over them with an open heart.
“No protestant should quote Scripture at all, for he has no means of knowing which books are inspired; Unless of course, he wants to accept the authority of the Catholic Church for that.”
-Fr. William Most
“We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all.”
-Martin Luther
“So then, brethren, stand firm and **hold to the traditions ** which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth (Tradition is the Word of God) or by letter (Scripture is also the Word of God).”
2 Thess. 2:15
“But what is also to the point, let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles and preserved by the fathers. On this the church was founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is, nor any longer ought to be called, a Christian.”
-St. Athanasius (4th century)
Jesus didn’t tell his apostles to write anything. Only a few of them did that and they did it on their own accord. Jesus didn’t write anything down either (other than something on the ground, but we don’t even know what it was). There was no such thing as a Bible until the late 300’s when the canon was finalized by guess who? - the Catholic Church. What did the Christians do until then if they needed a Bible to hear God’s Word?! They listened to the Church! As for the origins of the Bible, there were several hundred gospels claiming inspiration before this time (300’s). Whether you know it or not, you have accepted the infallible authority of the magisterium of the Catholic Church as well as the Tradition of the Church by accepting the authority of Scripture because Tradition was used to determine those books that were inspired and those books that were counterfeited by the gnostics and the leaders of the Church were the ones doing the determining! And ya know what? A pope had to approve it all. So you can thank the good old Catholic Church for putting that Bible in your hand that you seem to be so fond of thumping. Christ *did not * leave us with a book. He left us with twelve men to be His authoritative Church. And it was this Church that gave us the Bible. It’s odd how some people put so much trust in a book they don’t even know the origins of. Don’t get me wrong, the Bible is most definately the authoritative Word of God, but it has it’s place in the Church. And it’s place is not as the sole rule of faith. May you be lead to the truth, my friend.
PS - I suggest that you go to my website and read over the things I have written as well as go to the webpages that I’ve linked to on my site and read over them with an open heart.
“No protestant should quote Scripture at all, for he has no means of knowing which books are inspired; Unless of course, he wants to accept the authority of the Catholic Church for that.”
-Fr. William Most
“We are compelled to concede to the Papists that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them, we should have no knowledge of it at all.”
-Martin Luther
“So then, brethren, stand firm and **hold to the traditions ** which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth (Tradition is the Word of God) or by letter (Scripture is also the Word of God).”
2 Thess. 2:15
“But what is also to the point, let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the Catholic Church from the beginning was preached by the Apostles and preserved by the fathers. On this the church was founded; and if anyone departs from this, he neither is, nor any longer ought to be called, a Christian.”
-St. Athanasius (4th century)
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JSmitty2005
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“It is an unhappy ending for those who attack the Catholic Church.” -St. Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621)
“Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart… When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name.” -St. Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D.
“The Catholic Church understands its opponents, her opponents do not understand the Catholic Church.” -Hilaire Belloc, the Great Heresies…
“For those who spread lies about the Catholic Church: their ignorance is their lack of knowledge, their stupidity is their wisdom, and their truth is falsehood.” -Unknown
“In attacking the Catholic Church, Protestants sever their own roots.” -Unknown
“Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains *. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” -Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 (A.D. 110)
What do you know? The Catholic Church existed in the 2nd century! Who woulda thunk it?!
“There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church”
-Fulton Sheen*
“Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart… When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name.” -St. Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D.
“The Catholic Church understands its opponents, her opponents do not understand the Catholic Church.” -Hilaire Belloc, the Great Heresies…
“For those who spread lies about the Catholic Church: their ignorance is their lack of knowledge, their stupidity is their wisdom, and their truth is falsehood.” -Unknown
“In attacking the Catholic Church, Protestants sever their own roots.” -Unknown
“Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop. Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by the bishop or by one whom he ordains *. Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church” -Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 (A.D. 110)
What do you know? The Catholic Church existed in the 2nd century! Who woulda thunk it?!
“There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church”
-Fulton Sheen*
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JSmitty2005
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“For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine but, following their own desires and insatiable curiosity, will accumulate teachers and will stop listening to the truth and will be diverted to myths.” 2 Tim. 4:3-4
“There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who ransomed them, bringing swift destruction on themselves.” 2 Pet. 2:1
“In them (Paul’s epistles) there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Therefore, beloved, since you are forewarned, be on your guard not to be led into the error of the unprincipled and to fall from your own stability.” 2 Pet. 3:16-17
“I urge you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose.” 1 Cor. 1:10
“Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain.” Psalm 127:1
“…the house of God, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, the PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF THE TRUTH.” 1 Tim. 3:15
“First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
2 Pet. 1:20-21
Acts 8:27-40, the eunuch was trying to read Isaiah when Philip asked him, “Do you understand what you are reading?” But he said, “Why, how can I, unless someone shows me?” Since Philip had been filled by the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:4, he was able to explain the truth of Isaiah to the eunuch.
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.”
Matthew 12:30, Luke 11:23
Matthew 16:18-19 (this is where Jesus makes Peter the first pope),
“And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Jesus Christ founded a Church. Notice that He did say “church”, (singular) and not churches. The gates of hell not prevailing, is a promise that His Church will be protected by Himself from within, and from without for all eternity. For those who insist that the Church which Jesus Christ founded, apostatized soon after the last Apostle died, then they have really said that the gates of hell did prevail against it, and therefore they have called Him a liar for His promise here.
Matthew 28:18-20,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
This is the promise of Jesus Christ to be with His Church every day in every century until the end of time, and with no 1500 year gaps, not even one day. For those who say the Church which Jesus Christ founded, apostatized soon after the last Apostle died, have called Him a liar again for His promise here.
“There were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will introduce destructive heresies and even deny the Master who ransomed them, bringing swift destruction on themselves.” 2 Pet. 2:1
“In them (Paul’s epistles) there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures. Therefore, beloved, since you are forewarned, be on your guard not to be led into the error of the unprincipled and to fall from your own stability.” 2 Pet. 3:16-17
“I urge you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree in what you say, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and in the same purpose.” 1 Cor. 1:10
“Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain.” Psalm 127:1
“…the house of God, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, the PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF THE TRUTH.” 1 Tim. 3:15
“First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”
2 Pet. 1:20-21
Acts 8:27-40, the eunuch was trying to read Isaiah when Philip asked him, “Do you understand what you are reading?” But he said, “Why, how can I, unless someone shows me?” Since Philip had been filled by the Holy Spirit in Acts 2:4, he was able to explain the truth of Isaiah to the eunuch.
“He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.”
Matthew 12:30, Luke 11:23
Matthew 16:18-19 (this is where Jesus makes Peter the first pope),
“And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Jesus Christ founded a Church. Notice that He did say “church”, (singular) and not churches. The gates of hell not prevailing, is a promise that His Church will be protected by Himself from within, and from without for all eternity. For those who insist that the Church which Jesus Christ founded, apostatized soon after the last Apostle died, then they have really said that the gates of hell did prevail against it, and therefore they have called Him a liar for His promise here.
Matthew 28:18-20,
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”
This is the promise of Jesus Christ to be with His Church every day in every century until the end of time, and with no 1500 year gaps, not even one day. For those who say the Church which Jesus Christ founded, apostatized soon after the last Apostle died, have called Him a liar again for His promise here.
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JSmitty2005
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“…and there shall be ONE FOLD and ONE SHEPHERD.” John 10:16
“And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, ‘Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.’”
Matthew 12:25
Isn’t this exactly what is happening to non-Catholic ecclesial communities? They are imploding due to these never ending splits. The splinters are getting smaller and smaller, and eventually if this keeps up, each member theoretically will be his own ecclesial community.
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned: and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”
Romans 16:17-18
“Woe to the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture, said the Lord.”
Jeremiah 23:1
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of GOD; because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.”
1John 4:1
“…Teacher, we know that you are a truthful man and that you are not concerned with anyone’s opinion. You do not regard a person’s status but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth.” Mark 12:14 also Matt. 22:16
(Sorry Martin, but your opinions don’t matter to God.)
“But Peter and the Apostles answered and said, ‘We must obey GOD rather than men.’”
Acts 5:29
“Obey your superiors and be subject to them, for they keep watch as having to render an account of your souls; so that they may do this with joy, and not with grief, for that would not be expedient for you.”
Hebrews 13:17
“For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid down, which is Jesus Christ.”
1Corinthians 3:11 (Only Jesus can lay a foundation, not Luther, Calvin, Knox, Zwingli, Wesley, or good old Henry VIII - Sorry!)
“To Him be glory in the Church and in Christ Jesus down through all the ages of time without end.” Ephesians 3:21
Doesn’t this say that the Church which Jesus Christ founded will last forever with no 1500 year gaps?
“If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.” Matt. 18:15-17 (final authority is given to the Church!)
“I know that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, and they will not spare the flock. And from your own group, men will come forward perverting the truth to draw the disciples away after them.” Acts 20:29-30
“Has Christ been divided up?”
1Corinthians 1:13
“Have I Then Become Your Enemy Because I Tell You the Truth?” Gal. 4:16
“And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, ‘Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.’”
Matthew 12:25
Isn’t this exactly what is happening to non-Catholic ecclesial communities? They are imploding due to these never ending splits. The splinters are getting smaller and smaller, and eventually if this keeps up, each member theoretically will be his own ecclesial community.
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned: and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”
Romans 16:17-18
“Woe to the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture, said the Lord.”
Jeremiah 23:1
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of GOD; because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.”
1John 4:1
“…Teacher, we know that you are a truthful man and that you are not concerned with anyone’s opinion. You do not regard a person’s status but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth.” Mark 12:14 also Matt. 22:16
(Sorry Martin, but your opinions don’t matter to God.)
“But Peter and the Apostles answered and said, ‘We must obey GOD rather than men.’”
Acts 5:29
“Obey your superiors and be subject to them, for they keep watch as having to render an account of your souls; so that they may do this with joy, and not with grief, for that would not be expedient for you.”
Hebrews 13:17
“For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid down, which is Jesus Christ.”
1Corinthians 3:11 (Only Jesus can lay a foundation, not Luther, Calvin, Knox, Zwingli, Wesley, or good old Henry VIII - Sorry!)
“To Him be glory in the Church and in Christ Jesus down through all the ages of time without end.” Ephesians 3:21
Doesn’t this say that the Church which Jesus Christ founded will last forever with no 1500 year gaps?
“If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.” Matt. 18:15-17 (final authority is given to the Church!)
“I know that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, and they will not spare the flock. And from your own group, men will come forward perverting the truth to draw the disciples away after them.” Acts 20:29-30
“Has Christ been divided up?”
1Corinthians 1:13
“Have I Then Become Your Enemy Because I Tell You the Truth?” Gal. 4:16
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JSmitty2005
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Well, if you got through all that I hope it made you think. The Bible is a Catholic book. Sorry, but you can’t use it against us. In it we can find many predictions of heresies (ie - Protestantism) that I’ve shown above. If you are open to any more information, I’d suggest this site: The Catholic Treasure Chest 
God bless!
In Christ,
Jon
God bless!
In Christ,
Jon
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edward_george
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Very sadly, we already see this somewhat in the crowd that believes that they are simply Christian, with no church affiliation, and only the Bible and the Holy Spirit to guide them. This certainly is not what Jesus taught–on the contrary, he prayed to the Father “that all might be one” (John 17:21). In sorrow for those who attack Holy Mother Church, I must echo Our Lord’s words.
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Pax
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We need to ratchet up our charity instead of our frustration. This thread has challenged my patience so I can certainly identify with some of the aggravation. Nevertheless, let’s all take a deep breath and say a short prayer for patience, guidance, and additional charity.
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Michael_Francis
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And this is my way of making it official!
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