In The Not Too Distant Future…

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cwltexas said:
When the Mama is dependent on welfare in order to keep a roof over their head, food in their mouth and access to medical care, seems to me it is abuse, neglect and a mortal sin?
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Sorry, but everybody else has to work.

If you don’t work, you don’t eat.

freemoneyfinance.com/2006/06/the_bible_work_.html

And if you’re that irresponsible, we will take those kids away from you.

bible.cc/2_thessalonians/3-10.htm

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+3&version=MSG

[From freemoneyfinance]:

*One thing I love about the Bible is that it takes a hard stand on people who try to just “get by” and feed off others without doing a lick of work themselves. Here’s my favorite verse on this topic:

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “If a man will not work, he shall not eat.” 2 Thessalonians 3:10

Yep, don’t work, don’t eat. I think that says it all.

Notice that it doesn’t say that those who CAN NOT work should not eat. No, we should have compassion on and help out those people. But if someone can work, yet WILL NOT work, then he’s left to the consequences of his actions (or inactions in this case).

Here are a couple other verses on this same line of thinking:

Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth. Proverbs 10:4

How long will you lie there, you sluggard? When will you get up from your sleep? A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest – and poverty will come on you like a bandit and scarcity like an armed man. Proverbs 6:9-11

So get out there and work! Or find a way to survive without eating. 😉
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I don’t see the Vatican saying that Catholics have to discriminate against gays in their businesses.
 
CaliLobo said:
I don’t see the Vatican saying that Catholics have to discriminate against gays in their businesses.
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Not quite accurate. The Church does teach that we must not knowingly cooperate (either “formally” or “materially cooperate”) with evil.
 
Fairwinds said:
obviously this lawsuit is bullying and it may resolve itself in some way that won’t get reported in the press. but getting from that incident to a unquestionably unconstitutional government office that supervises church services in progress is scaremongering and not helpful.

I understand that imaginary persecution (as from the OP’s article) is a tried and true way of rallying the troops, but … really.
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paranoia run amok :eek:
 
MidnightSun12 said:
At the end of the day, you could argue that offering incense to the god’s of Rome wasn’t technically sinful, either. That said, we know which 3rd and 4th century christians are recognized as Saints and Martyrs by the Church and it wasn’t the christians who were offering the incense.

No faithful Catholic should even be trying to push the envelope and tempting God in this way. If you require this degree of proof, then that is a sign of a serious lack of faith and I will pray for you.
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fortunately some of those who offered incense repented and became saints and/or martyrs

(a few unconverting more han once )

God bless
 
Edward_H said:
Not quite accurate. The Church does teach that we must not knowingly cooperate (either “formally” or “materially cooperate”) with evil.
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And how is discriminating against gay customers cooperating with evil? What does that do to help gay people turn to holiness?

Vermont was right to spank this business…
 
CaliLobo said:
And how is discriminating against gay customers cooperating with evil? What does that do to help gay people turn to holiness?

Vermont was right to spank this business…
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Making money directly off their wedding, when there are others who would provide them that service, is material cooperation.
 
Edward_H said:
Making money directly off their wedding, when there are others who would provide them that service, is material cooperation.
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It is homosexual activity that is evil, not the ceremony. In most cases the homosexual activity was going on before the ceremony and would continue whether there was a ceremony or not. Providing flowers for the ceremony does not cooperate with the essential evil act. And it has been pointed out by MidnightSun12 that providing paper plates for the celebration is not material cooperation.
 
Julianna said:
yes perhaps, or let couples who are living together, or of a different faith, to go somewhere else. 🤷
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the state will prosecute if they don’t sell to any customers. that’s the problem. going somewhere else makes a lot of sense, and their defense counsel will, I hope, make the argument that gays aren’t being barred from buying flowers elsewhere so their wedding can have as many flowers as wanted. I expect some kind of compromise along those line will happen anyway.

personally, though, I don’t want retail merchants asking me why I want to buy something. surely no one wants clerks asking a couple buying flatware if they’re married or living together. if I were asked that question, I’d be polite only the first time telling him or her its none of his or her business.

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Fairwinds said:
the state will prosecute if they don’t sell to any customers. that’s the problem. going somewhere else makes a lot of sense, and their defense counsel will, I hope, make the argument that gays aren’t being barred from buying flowers elsewhere so their wedding can have as many flowers as wanted. I expect some kind of compromise along those line will happen anyway.

personally, though, I don’t want retail merchants asking me why I want to buy something. surely no one wants clerks asking a couple buying flatware if they’re married or living together. if I were asked that question, I’d be polite only the first time telling him or her its none of his or her business.

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Of course, if you are a photographer asked to phtotgraph a gay wedding, the question becomes unavoidable.
 
Fairwinds said:
the state will prosecute if they don’t sell to any customers. that’s the problem. going somewhere else makes a lot of sense, and their defense counsel will, I hope, make the argument that gays aren’t being barred from buying flowers elsewhere so their wedding can have as many flowers as wanted. I expect some kind of compromise along those line will happen anyway.

personally, though, I don’t want retail merchants asking me why I want to buy something. surely no one wants clerks asking a couple buying flatware if they’re married or living together. ** if I were asked that question, I’d be polite only the first time telling him or her its none of his or her business.
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I would also do the same…😃
 
JimG said:
Of course, if you are a photographer asked to phtotgraph a gay wedding, the question becomes unavoidable.
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contracts for personal services are given more consideration when they conflict with personal beliefs. many attorneys, for example, won’t take certain kinds of criminal cases, and that’s not unlawful discrimination. photographers? closer to lawyers in this example than florists.

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LeafByNiggle said:
It is homosexual activity that is evil, not the ceremony. In most cases the homosexual activity was going on before the ceremony and would continue whether there was a ceremony or not. Providing flowers for the ceremony does not cooperate with the essential evil act. And it has been pointed out by MidnightSun12 that providing paper plates for the celebration is not material cooperation.
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Selling a hotel room to a couple who presents themselves as a couple is materially cooperating with evil.
 
Edward_H said:
Selling a hotel room to a couple who presents themselves as a couple is materially cooperating with evil.
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Good Afternoon Edward

Might I ask you how a couple presents themselves as a couple to a hotel clerk, short of registering as Mr and Mrs or whatever? How does that work unless you ask someone if they are planning on having sex in the room?
 
cwltexas said:
Good Afternoon Edward

Might I ask you how a couple presents themselves as a couple to a hotel clerk, short of registering as Mr and Mrs or whatever? How does that work unless you ask someone if they are planning on having sex in the room?
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Mr and Mr jones-smith, and they come in holding hands.
 
Edward_H said:
Mr and Mr jones-smith, and they come in holding hands.
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OK, and? Many people today hyphenate their last names when they marry, how do you know whether or not their married, unless you presume to ask?
 
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